OK, so an attempt at creating a prioritized task list:<br><br>1) Put the front panel back together, possibly replacing some or all of it.<br><br>If I understand right, this item will bring power back to the front end of the building?<br>
This is a day's work for one or two people?<br><br>2) Run 1.25" conduit and wire to the Kitchen area, and mount a sub-panel on the pillar there<br><br>This is a day or two's work for two or three people?<br><br>
3) Run 1" conduit from existing branch to the shop, install a sub-panel<br><br>A couple of hours to a half day for one person?<br><br>4) Create some local runs in the shop<br><br>A couple of hours to half a day for one person?<br>
<br>5) Create some local runs to the kitchen<br><br>A couple of hours to half a day for one person?<br><br>6) Finish tracing and labeling the front panel<br><br>A couple of hours work for two people?<br><br>Some definitions:<br>
<br>"A person" is "a person knowledgable about electrical," except where there are "more than one person" where it includes one knowledgable person, and other people who are willing to do what they're told.<br>
<br>Hours above are task-hours, so "a couple of hours for a couple of people" is four man hours; however, it seems to me that above is about as paralellized as it can get?<br><br>Thanks guys,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 8:05 AM, jim <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jim@well.com">jim@well.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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comments interspersed:<br>
<div class="im"><br>
On Sat, 2009-08-29 at 00:34 -0700, Shannon Lee wrote:<br>
> So if I'm understanding correctly, the current plan is:<br>
><br>
> * Run 1.25" conduit from the Front panel back the kitchen, and run<br>
> cable through it<br>
</div>JS: yes (but not "cable", rather "wires").<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> * Run 1.25" conduit from the Front panel to the shop, and run cable<br>
> through it<br>
</div>JS: no. run 1" and take it from an existing 1" run, extending<br>
the existing branch and diverting it from powering a track to<br>
feeding a small sub-panel ("wires" not "cable").<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> * Install a sub-panel at the kitchen<br>
</div>JS: yes.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> * Install a sub-panel in the shop<br>
</div>JS: yes, but a small one.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> * Make local runs & outlets in the shop and in the kitchen<br>
</div>JS: yes, a few at first.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> * Put the Front panel back together<br>
</div>JS: buy an identical panel and rip out its guts to<br>
replace the guts of the existing front panel, which<br>
shows serious damage to its busses.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> * Trace out and label the runs from the Front panel.<br>
</div>JS: progress has already been made on this.<br>
<div class="im">><br>
> This is, I understand, a completely simplistic writeup of a set of<br>
> complex tasks, but I want to get a handle on what needs to be done.<br>
</div>JS: latest tentatively agreed-upon plans include<br>
diverting a second 1" pipe run from another track<br>
to power a second small sub-panel somewhere "over<br>
there".<br>
the idea of two smaller sub-panels is primarily<br>
to re-purpose existing #6 wire rather than buying<br>
new wire and pipe for entirely new runs, and<br>
secondarily to distribute power capability across<br>
the space--we can tap sub-panels for power as we<br>
decide in the future.<br>
<div class="im">><br>
> If you look at the current, All New! taped out layout of the walls, it<br>
> puts the shop very close by the Rear panel, which would make for an<br>
> easy run.<br>
><br>
> Do we really need 3-phase? I understand that it's there in the front<br>
> panel, and we'd be silly to rip it out, but is this something we could<br>
> leave as a future possibility rather than something we're doing now?<br>
</div>JS: yes, no. we cannot easily later put in three-<br>
phase. three-phase requires four wires, correctly<br>
sized pipe, and a three-phase sub-panel. Neil's run.<br>
plan is to use the "stinger" leg of the three-<br>
phase to power the oven and cooktop, possibly<br>
some other devices.<br>
if we install the usual split-phase panel, we<br>
pretty much forever dismiss using three-phase and<br>
we miss using the available power of the third leg.<br>
<div><div></div><div class="h5">><br>
> I'll be in the space tomorrow and Sunday; I may be working on walls<br>
> with Zed or I may be free to help out with Electrical, if either of<br>
> you are around.<br>
><br>
> --S<br>
><br>
> PS, I think we should name our panels after Chinese deistic entities.<br>
><br>
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:26 PM, neil maclean <<a href="mailto:neil@warmcove.org">neil@warmcove.org</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
> I just got off the phone with Jim and we made some decisions<br>
> that I really like.<br>
><br>
> I oing to bring a rolling scaffold tonight and would like help<br>
> getting it up the stairs and set up in the space. The scaffold<br>
> can help us trace circuits and later to install pipe and wire.<br>
><br>
> I would like to create a plan tonight. If we finish the<br>
> circuit tracing, we can make decisions about how to re-purpose<br>
> them, take them out, or use them as they are.<br>
><br>
> It would be great if one to three people could work with me on<br>
> Friday, (Jim is going to get the materials in the morning and<br>
> then come back later in the afternoon.)<br>
> I could use help most of the day doing stuff like carrying<br>
> things around, handing it up the scaffold, rolling the<br>
> scaffold, opening boxes, tracing circuits, pulling wires, and<br>
> fastening pipe. If anyone wants to, I could also share some<br>
> basics about how to bend pipe, (its not really that hard.)<br>
><br>
> I would like to start early Friday, like 8 or 9 in the<br>
> morning. My goal is to get the biggest run, the one to the<br>
> bathroom/laundry/kitchen finished and the one to the shop at<br>
> least figured out and began.<br>
><br>
> Neil<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Shannon Lee wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hey All,<br>
><br>
> Tonight at 7:00, a bunch of people are getting<br>
> together at 2169 to admire the floor, and to give a go<br>
> at finishing off the cable tracing -- we need to<br>
> figure out where all the breakers go.<br>
><br>
> The front box is all taken apart, and we won't be able<br>
> to use the breakers themselves to trace out -- so<br>
> bring tracing equipment! I know I've got a tone<br>
> generator and tracer kit, it's not clear to me whether<br>
> it's suitable for tracing AC as well as low-voltage<br>
> cable; Jim recommends a battery and a voltmeter -- we<br>
> have a couple of voltmeters, so if you have batteries<br>
> suitable for this sort of adventure, be sure to bring<br>
> them along.<br>
><br>
> See you all there,<br>
><br>
> --S<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Shannon Lee<br>
> (503) 539-3700<br>
><br>
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