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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Those "arguments" from orga left me feeling less than comfortable. I'll be on a panel at OHM where several people can (hopefully) provoke some good discussion and debate.<br> <BR><div><div id="SkyDrivePlaceholder"> </div><div>----------------------</div>Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 11:29:17 +0200<br>From: m@niij.org<br>To: congress@lists.noisebridge.net<br>CC: intern@lists.metalab.at; hackercons@lists.metalab.at<br>Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-congress] Noisebridge OHM village<br><br><pre>On 23 Apr 05:35, Mitch Altman wrote:<br>> It is looking like the main sponsor of OHM (FOX IT) is selling surveillance<br>> equipment to repressive governments. If this is true (and I still need to<br>> find out for myself), then I won't be organizing any workshops in any OHM<br>> infrastructure.<br> <br>Hmm, I thought this penetrated the community well enough already, but the whole<br>controversy stems from this blog post:<br><a href="http://www.puscii.nl/blog/content/whats-wrong-kids-these-days" target="_blank">http://www.puscii.nl/blog/content/whats-wrong-kids-these-days</a><br> <br>It prompted this statement form OHM, which is currently offline:<br><a href="https://ohm2013.org/site/sponsors/sponsor-policy-faq/" target="_blank">https://ohm2013.org/site/sponsors/sponsor-policy-faq/</a><br> <br>Koen, whom some of you know, apparently works for Fox-IT, also helps organise<br>OHM and wrote the following response:<br><a href="http://wordpress.metro.cx/2013/03/30/on-hackerspaces-fox-it-and-ohm2013/" target="_blank">http://wordpress.metro.cx/2013/03/30/on-hackerspaces-fox-it-and-ohm2013/</a><br> <br>To be honest, the replies all leave a terrible taste in my mouth. It's not that<br>I wouldn't want to go because it'll be a terrible event that Fox-IT will gain<br>more from than the community would (both are too hard to measure anyway). It's<br>the kind of arguments presented that make me cringe:<br> <br>"We need money to run this and you liked it last time too, they were sponsors<br>then as well", "But we need to talk about our disagreements, we're trying to<br>create a venue for that" and "Trust us, we're on the good side". What certainly<br>doesn't help is that Fox-IT will apparently have their own village:<br><a href="https://gis.ohm2013.org/" target="_blank">https://gis.ohm2013.org/</a> (below N5, next to POC)<br> <br>I probably won't come, but for reasons other than Fox-IT. What I would hope is<br>that those who go would actually blast them away with arguments and well<br>executed trolling.<br> <br>Best, Michael<br>-- <br><a href="https://niij.org/" target="_blank">https://niij.org/</a><br></pre><br>_______________________________________________
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