<html><head><base href="x-msg://881/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Alex Haslam and Steve Reicher, psychologists from the University of Exeter and University of St Andrews, conducted a follow up replica called the BBC Prison Study in 2002. <a href="http://www.bbcprisonstudy.org/">http://www.bbcprisonstudy.org/</a><div><br></div><div>It's well worth watching: The prisoners basically became the tyrants, breaking out on Day 6. After this, the participants created a 'self-governing commune' but this too collapsed due to internal tensions created by those who had organized the earlier breakout. Then a group of former prisoners and guards conspired to install a new prisoner-guard regime in which they would be the "new guards". Now, however, they wanted to run the system along much harsher lines — akin to those seen in the Stanford study. Signs that this would compromise the well-being of participants led to early termination of the study.</div><i><br></i><div><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: normal; ">TLDR is that </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: normal;">internalized group membership can be a basis for resistance as well as tyranny.</span><br></i><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>-Espen</div><div><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><br></div></div></div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
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<br><div><div>On Jul 14, 2011, at 1:53 PM, Mitch Altman wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div class="hmmessage" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><div dir="ltr">> From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:tedks@riseup.net">tedks@riseup.net</a><br>> To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:cyborg@lists.noisebridge.net">cyborg@lists.noisebridge.net</a><br>> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:36:05 -0400<br>> Subject: Re: [Cyborg] Stanford Prison Experiment followup<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><div><pre>> On Thu, 2011-07-14 at 08:22 -0400, Eric Boyd wrote:<br>> > <a href="http://www.stanfordalumni.org/news/magazine/2011/julaug/features/spe.html" target="_blank">http://www.stanfordalumni.org/news/magazine/2011/julaug/features/spe.html</a><br>> > <br>> > It's amazing how different the different participants stories are <br>> > compared to the standard story. I think especially telling is the one <br>> > guard who says he planned what came over him - he lead the efforts of <br>> > the guards to break down the prisoners. It strikes me that without him, <br>> > the entire experiment may have turned out quite differently. How would <br>> > the world be different if the Stanford Prison Experiment had resulted in <br>> > people playing guitars happily for 2 weeks?<br>> > <br>> > Eric<br> <br>> I'm sure he took that account from his journal, where he wrote down his<br>> plan before participating in the experiment and got it dated and<br>notarized.<br> <br>> If the Stanford Prison Experiment was people playing guitars happily for<br>> two weeks, people would deny that situations have stronger effects on<br>> people's behaviors than static personality traits. This is quite<br>> different from today, where people deny that situations have stronger<br>> effects on people's behaviors than static personality traits, and<br>> there's a lot of empirical evidence to back up that claim, like the<br>> Milgram studies, the Stanford Prison Experiments, the Robber's Cave<br>> experiment, Asch's line study, and every study on correspondence<br>> bias/fundamental attribution error, to name a few.<br> <br>> </rant></pre><pre> </pre><pre>There was also a follow up study in Poland, with the same results -- they </pre><pre>called off the experiment when things got out of hand. That there are </pre><pre>people who organize others in abusive behavior punctuates the outcome </pre><pre>even more: we all have within us the ability to be abusive -- given the </pre><pre>right (or wrong) circumstances. This is good to know. We have more </pre><pre>choice to respond, rather than react (or to choose to go along with </pre><pre>others, or not), when we are more conscious of ourselves.</pre><pre> </pre><pre>Mitch.</pre><pre> </pre></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>Cyborg mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Cyborg@lists.noisebridge.net">Cyborg@lists.noisebridge.net</a><br><a href="https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/cyborg">https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/cyborg</a><br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></body></html>