<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div><div><div>Wow y'all are fast. Does it bear in-person discussion, or are y'all too agile for that?</div><div><br></div><div>There are a ton of lab supply companies. I am most familiar with Fisher Scientific and Spectrum Chemicals. They're like the "root domains", as in, the smaller cats with sparkly web sites (<a href="http://labdepotinc.com"><a href="http://labdepotinc.com">labdepotinc.com</a></a>) source from them. Forget about the foreign results on the web--minimum lot sizes are like cargo containers.<br><br></div><div>I'm going to suggest labdepotinc, because they have both reagent ACS and economic grades of most things, and tons of ancillary equipment.</div><div><br></div><div>But I'm also going to suggest treading carefully, and, as in my previous post, making sure a chemistry wiz is at the ready for the potential discussion with the supplier. There are trick questions--you might think "duh," but there can be a fine line between getting an account and oversharing :)<br><div><br></div><div><br></div>--christian</div><div><br>On Jun 29, 2011, at 20:36, Kelly <<a href="mailto:hurtstotouchfire@gmail.com"></a><a href="mailto:hurtstotouchfire@gmail.com"><a href="mailto:hurtstotouchfire@gmail.com">hurtstotouchfire@gmail.com</a></a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><p>LET'S DO IT!!</p>
<p>I can think of plenty of ways we can work out noisebridge official payments. Where do we sign up?</p>
<p>Kelly</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 29, 2011 6:33 PM, "Ben Rupert" <<a href="mailto:meowdip@gmail.com"></a><a href="mailto:meowdip@gmail.com"></a><a href="mailto:meowdip@gmail.com"><a href="mailto:meowdip@gmail.com">meowdip@gmail.com</a></a>> wrote:<br type="attribution">> I do have a few ML of bromine I can bring to noisebridge. It might take<br>
> me a few days to get it there though. Maybe even early next week.<br>> Also, Kelly, I think we should be able to get the major chemical<br>> supply houses to sell to us. They don't sell to individuals, but if I<br>
> call up and tell them that we're an educational non-profit planning a<br>> bunch of science demos they will probably let us establish an account.<br>> After that we can order anything that doesn't require a federal license<br>
> (drugs and explosives). We will have to have some official looking<br>> payment method, but we can figure that out.<br>> <br>> Ben<br>> <br>> On 06/29/2011 05:43 PM, david pan wrote:<br>>> duh, ooops. n00b error.<br>
>> <br>>> /Kimberly Austin/ <<a href="http://www.kimberlyaustin.net/about.html"></a><a href="http://www.kimberlyaustin.net/about.html"></a><a href="http://www.kimberlyaustin.net/about.html"><a href="http://www.kimberlyaustin.net/about.html">http://www.kimberlyaustin.net/about.html</a></a>><br>>> <br>>> <br>>> <br>>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 5:42 PM, david pan <<a href="mailto:kaptures@gmail.com"></a><a href="mailto:kaptures@gmail.com"></a><a href="mailto:kaptures@gmail.com"><a href="mailto:kaptures@gmail.com">kaptures@gmail.com</a></a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:kaptures@gmail.com"></a><a href="mailto:kaptures@gmail.com"></a><a href="mailto:kaptures@gmail.com"><a href="mailto:kaptures@gmail.com">kaptures@gmail.com</a></a>>> wrote:<br>>> <br>>> I really can't recall the photographer I am thinking of. It might<br>>> be Kimberly Austin, she mixes all her own emulsions by hand (for van<br>
>> dyke, cyanotype, gum bichromate)... I just don't think it was her<br>>> that I had met a few years ago.<br>>> <br>>> I also thought of the photo center in the east bay, is it Hayward? <br>
>> IIRC, they do a lot of teaching there and had previously focused on<br>>> film/darkroom & alt-process developing. I think it is in a<br>>> community center or some similar site.<br>>> <br>
>> Well, without wanting to be an imposition here, I will wish you well<br>>> on your endeavors.<br>>> <br>>> Cheers.<br>>> <br>>> <br>>> <br>>> <br>>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Kelly <<a href="mailto:hurtstotouchfire@gmail.com"></a><a href="mailto:hurtstotouchfire@gmail.com"></a><a href="mailto:hurtstotouchfire@gmail.com"><a href="mailto:hurtstotouchfire@gmail.com">hurtstotouchfire@gmail.com</a></a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:hurtstotouchfire@gmail.com"></a><a href="mailto:hurtstotouchfire@gmail.com"></a><a href="mailto:hurtstotouchfire@gmail.com"><a href="mailto:hurtstotouchfire@gmail.com">hurtstotouchfire@gmail.com</a></a>>> wrote:<br>>> <br>>> Hey Ben, I was actually going to ping you about this anyway.<br>>> <br>
>> Maybe it's not a good way to go for bromine in particular, but any<br>>> idea if we can use our non-profit status to get better chem<br>>> sources? I<br>>> know we've discussed institutional suppliers in the past.<br>
>> <br>>> -Kelly<br>>> <br>>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 07:07, Ben Rupert <<a href="mailto:meowdip@gmail.com"></a><a href="mailto:meowdip@gmail.com"></a><a href="mailto:meowdip@gmail.com"><a href="mailto:meowdip@gmail.com">meowdip@gmail.com</a></a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:meowdip@gmail.com"></a><a href="mailto:meowdip@gmail.com"></a><a href="mailto:meowdip@gmail.com"><a href="mailto:meowdip@gmail.com">meowdip@gmail.com</a></a>>> wrote:<br>
>> > I might have some liquid bromine, I'll check and get back to<br>>> the list.<br>>> > Also I didn't watch the video on electrolytic bromine<br>>> generation, but I<br>
>> > have a power supply made for electroplating metals which<br>>> should work for<br>>> > oxidizing Br- to Br2.<br>>> ><br>>> > Ben<br>>> ><br>
>> > On 06/29/2011 02:03 AM, david pan wrote:<br>>> >> Hi,<br>>> >><br>>> >> I have no experience with these things myself. I tend to<br>>> work with<br>
>> >> safer, more 'boring' soup ingredients (wine, coffee, tea,<br>>> etc) as my<br>>> >> film developers.<br>>> >><br>>> >> You may want to try asking in the photo department at CCSF.<br>
>> They have<br>>> >> some very capable faculty. I also seem to remember a<br>>> professional<br>>> >> photographer in the east bay who did a lot of Van Dyke brown and<br>
>> >> cyanotype and other homemade process photography. I can't<br>>> remember, I'd<br>>> >> only met her once or twice. I think she lives in Orinda or<br>>> Berkeley for<br>
>> >> some reason. I don't recall if she did dagguerotype too. If<br>>> I can find<br>>> >> her name, I'll let you know.<br>>> >><br>>> >> Dunno if this helps at all. Cheers.<br>
>> >><br>>> >> David<br>>> >><br>>> >> --------------------------------------------<br>>> >><br>>> >> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 1:47 AM, Christian Rice<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:clrice@gmail.com"></a><a href="mailto:clrice@gmail.com"></a><a href="mailto:clrice@gmail.com"><a href="mailto:clrice@gmail.com">clrice@gmail.com</a></a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:clrice@gmail.com"></a><a href="mailto:clrice@gmail.com"></a><a href="mailto:clrice@gmail.com"><a href="mailto:clrice@gmail.com">clrice@gmail.com</a></a>><br>>> >> <mailto:<a href="mailto:clrice@gmail.com"></a><a href="mailto:clrice@gmail.com"></a><a href="mailto:clrice@gmail.com"><a href="mailto:clrice@gmail.com">clrice@gmail.com</a></a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:clrice@gmail.com"></a><a href="mailto:clrice@gmail.com"></a><a href="mailto:clrice@gmail.com"><a href="mailto:clrice@gmail.com">clrice@gmail.com</a></a>>>> wrote:<br>
>> >><br>>> >> Another aspect of this procedure that seems like it<br>>> wouldn't work<br>>> >> for me is I don't want bromine water--I want to drip some<br>
>> liquid<br>>> >> bromine onto a bed of silica gel crystals. The moisture from<br>>> >> bromine water is not good for my fuming process.<br>>> >><br>
>> >> I think distillation might be the answer to that (as if<br>>> I'd know);<br>>> >> but it's a lot easier to talk about than for me to<br>>> accomplish.<br>
>> >> Isolating bromine is not something one wants to mess up<br>>> with...<br>>> >><br>>> >> You seem to be confident with chemistry...where does that<br>
>> come from,<br>>> >> if I may ask?<br>>> >><br>>> >> Ok, I'm going cross eyed, thanks for the late night<br>>> responses, I'll<br>
>> >> continue research when the sun rises.<br>>> >><br>>> >> --christian<br>>> >><br>>> >> On Jun 29, 2011, at 1:25, Jasmine Strong<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:jasmine@electronpusher.org"></a><a href="mailto:jasmine@electronpusher.org"></a><a href="mailto:jasmine@electronpusher.org"><a href="mailto:jasmine@electronpusher.org">jasmine@electronpusher.org</a></a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jasmine@electronpusher.org"></a><a href="mailto:jasmine@electronpusher.org"></a><a href="mailto:jasmine@electronpusher.org"><a href="mailto:jasmine@electronpusher.org">jasmine@electronpusher.org</a></a>><br>>> >> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jasmine@electronpusher.org"></a><a href="mailto:jasmine@electronpusher.org"></a><a href="mailto:jasmine@electronpusher.org"><a href="mailto:jasmine@electronpusher.org">jasmine@electronpusher.org</a></a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jasmine@electronpusher.org"></a><a href="mailto:jasmine@electronpusher.org"></a><a href="mailto:jasmine@electronpusher.org"><a href="mailto:jasmine@electronpusher.org">jasmine@electronpusher.org</a></a>>>> wrote:<br>>> >><br>>> >> > ... yeah, he should have used chlorine bleach in place<br>
>> of hydrogen<br>>> >> peroxide. It would have worked then.<br>>> >> ><br>>> >> > -J.<br>>> >> ><br>
>> >> > On 29 Jun 2011, at 01:20, Christian Rice wrote:<br>>> >> ><br>>> >> >> Hmm, I watched that video, the procedure fails to<br>>> isolate bromine...<br>
>> >> >><br>>> >> >> Back to the drawing board for me...<br>>> >> >><br>>> >> >><br>>> >> >> --christian<br>
>> >> >><br>>> >> >> On Jun 29, 2011, at 0:48, Jasmine Strong<br>>> >> <<a href="mailto:jasmine@electronpusher.org"></a><a href="mailto:jasmine@electronpusher.org"></a><a href="mailto:jasmine@electronpusher.org"><a href="mailto:jasmine@electronpusher.org">jasmine@electronpusher.org</a></a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jasmine@electronpusher.org"></a><a href="mailto:jasmine@electronpusher.org"></a><a href="mailto:jasmine@electronpusher.org"><a href="mailto:jasmine@electronpusher.org">jasmine@electronpusher.org</a></a>><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jasmine@electronpusher.org"></a><a href="mailto:jasmine@electronpusher.org"></a><a href="mailto:jasmine@electronpusher.org"><a href="mailto:jasmine@electronpusher.org">jasmine@electronpusher.org</a></a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jasmine@electronpusher.org"></a><a href="mailto:jasmine@electronpusher.org"></a><a href="mailto:jasmine@electronpusher.org"><a href="mailto:jasmine@electronpusher.org">jasmine@electronpusher.org</a></a>>>> wrote:<br>
>> >> >><br>>> >> >>><br>>> >> >>> On 29 Jun 2011, at 00:43, Jasmine Strong wrote:<br>>> >> >>><br>
>> >> >>>> On 29 Jun 2011, at 00:39, Christian Rice wrote:<br>>> >> >>>><br>>> >> >>>>><br>>> >> >>>>> Hi there. I'm working with the mercury<br>
>> daguerreotype process<br>>> >> and I'm in need of some Br2, the purer, the better,<br>>> >99.x%. Water<br>>> >> sanitizing stuff (pool/spa tablets and powders) won't do.<br>
>> >> >>>><br>>> >> >>>> You can make some by electrolyzing bromine solution<br>>> sold for<br>>> >> pool/spa use. In the quantities you need it's certainly<br>
>> not worth<br>>> >> the expense of going through the hazmat training you'd<br>>> need to have<br>>> >> a commercial vendor sell you the stuff.<br>
>> >> >>><br>>> >> >>> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9zB6_-vzSM"></a><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9zB6_-vzSM"></a><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9zB6_-vzSM"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9zB6_-vzSM">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9zB6_-vzSM</a></a><br>>> >> >>><br>
>> >> >>> Here's a process for extracting the stuff.<br>>> >> >>><br>>> >> >>> -J.<br>>> >> ><br>
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