Here's what I'd consider a basic list for Daguerreotypes (though I have most of it beside bromine):<br><br>elemental iodine<br>liquid bromine<br>mercury<br>sodium hydroxide (used for ph boost)<br>gold chloride (preferably powder/crystal)<br>
sodium thiosulfate<br><br>and glass bottles/droppers w/ caps able to contain the above (PTFE?)<br><br>stuff from the local hardware store:<br>mineral spirits<br>denatured alcohol<br>distilled water<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 7:40 AM, Ben Rupert <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:meowdip@gmail.com" target="_blank">meowdip@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I started reading some of the major chemical supply house's new account<br>
procedures. I think we can do it, but we should have a list of<br>
chemicals that we want to order ready. We won't have to order them all<br>
right away, I'll just need to tell them some of the sorts of things we<br>
will be ordering and what kinds of things we'll do with them. Obviously<br>
photography related chemicals will be a big part of this. Once we<br>
establish the account, however, we will be able to order anything that's<br>
legal for us to have at Noisebridge. So anyway, it would be helpful to<br>
send me a list of chemicals that you all would want and I'll add some<br>
myself.<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
Ben<br>
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On 06/29/2011 09:13 PM, Christian Rice wrote:<br>
> That's freaking awesome. I am in awe.<br>
><br>
><br>
> --christian<br>
><br>
> On Jun 29, 2011, at 21:04, Ben Rupert <<a href="mailto:meowdip@gmail.com" target="_blank">meowdip@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Christian- I'm a chemist at Lawrence Livermore National Lab. I've been<br>
>> looking to get out of the national labs though and one option is to<br>
>> start my own lab. I've picked up a few chemicals and some equipment<br>
>> here and there, mostly getting things cheap when start-ups have gone out<br>
>> of business.<br>
>><br>
>> Kelly- I'll start looking into what various chemical suppliers want in<br>
>> order to establish an account. I can make the phone calls needed once<br>
>> I've figured out what they want to hear. I would actually like to do<br>
>> chemistry demos at Noisebridge, so I'm not going to have to lie to them,<br>
>> just phrase things carefully.<br>
>><br>
>> Ben<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 06/29/2011 08:36 PM, Kelly wrote:<br>
>>> LET'S DO IT!!<br>
>>><br>
>>> I can think of plenty of ways we can work out noisebridge official<br>
>>> payments. Where do we sign up?<br>
>>><br>
>>> Kelly<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Jun 29, 2011 6:33 PM, "Ben Rupert" <<a href="mailto:meowdip@gmail.com" target="_blank">meowdip@gmail.com</a><br>
>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:meowdip@gmail.com" target="_blank">meowdip@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
>>>> I do have a few ML of bromine I can bring to noisebridge. It might take<br>
>>>> me a few days to get it there though. Maybe even early next week.<br>
>>>> Also, Kelly, I think we should be able to get the major chemical<br>
>>>> supply houses to sell to us. They don't sell to individuals, but if I<br>
>>>> call up and tell them that we're an educational non-profit planning a<br>
>>>> bunch of science demos they will probably let us establish an account.<br>
>>>> After that we can order anything that doesn't require a federal license<br>
>>>> (drugs and explosives). We will have to have some official looking<br>
>>>> payment method, but we can figure that out.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Ben<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On 06/29/2011 05:43 PM, david pan wrote:<br>
>>>>> duh, ooops. n00b error.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> /Kimberly Austin/ <<a href="http://www.kimberlyaustin.net/about.html" target="_blank">http://www.kimberlyaustin.net/about.html</a>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 5:42 PM, david pan <<a href="mailto:kaptures@gmail.com" target="_blank">kaptures@gmail.com</a><br>
>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:kaptures@gmail.com" target="_blank">kaptures@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:kaptures@gmail.com" target="_blank">kaptures@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:kaptures@gmail.com" target="_blank">kaptures@gmail.com</a>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> I really can't recall the photographer I am thinking of. It might<br>
>>>>> be Kimberly Austin, she mixes all her own emulsions by hand (for van<br>
>>>>> dyke, cyanotype, gum bichromate)... I just don't think it was her<br>
>>>>> that I had met a few years ago.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> I also thought of the photo center in the east bay, is it Hayward?<br>
>>>>> IIRC, they do a lot of teaching there and had previously focused on<br>
>>>>> film/darkroom & alt-process developing. I think it is in a<br>
>>>>> community center or some similar site.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Well, without wanting to be an imposition here, I will wish you well<br>
>>>>> on your endeavors.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Cheers.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Kelly <<a href="mailto:hurtstotouchfire@gmail.com" target="_blank">hurtstotouchfire@gmail.com</a><br>
>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:hurtstotouchfire@gmail.com" target="_blank">hurtstotouchfire@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:hurtstotouchfire@gmail.com" target="_blank">hurtstotouchfire@gmail.com</a><br>
>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:hurtstotouchfire@gmail.com" target="_blank">hurtstotouchfire@gmail.com</a>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Hey Ben, I was actually going to ping you about this anyway.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Maybe it's not a good way to go for bromine in particular, but any<br>
>>>>> idea if we can use our non-profit status to get better chem<br>
>>>>> sources? I<br>
>>>>> know we've discussed institutional suppliers in the past.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> -Kelly<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 07:07, Ben Rupert <<a href="mailto:meowdip@gmail.com" target="_blank">meowdip@gmail.com</a><br>
>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:meowdip@gmail.com" target="_blank">meowdip@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:meowdip@gmail.com" target="_blank">meowdip@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:meowdip@gmail.com" target="_blank">meowdip@gmail.com</a>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>> I might have some liquid bromine, I'll check and get back to<br>
>>>>> the list.<br>
>>>>>> Also I didn't watch the video on electrolytic bromine<br>
>>>>> generation, but I<br>
>>>>>> have a power supply made for electroplating metals which<br>
>>>>> should work for<br>
>>>>>> oxidizing Br- to Br2.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Ben<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> On 06/29/2011 02:03 AM, david pan wrote:<br>
>>>>>>> Hi,<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> I have no experience with these things myself. I tend to<br>
>>>>> work with<br>
>>>>>>> safer, more 'boring' soup ingredients (wine, coffee, tea,<br>
>>>>> etc) as my<br>
>>>>>>> film developers.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> You may want to try asking in the photo department at CCSF.<br>
>>>>> They have<br>
>>>>>>> some very capable faculty. I also seem to remember a<br>
>>>>> professional<br>
>>>>>>> photographer in the east bay who did a lot of Van Dyke brown and<br>
>>>>>>> cyanotype and other homemade process photography. I can't<br>
>>>>> remember, I'd<br>
>>>>>>> only met her once or twice. I think she lives in Orinda or<br>
>>>>> Berkeley for<br>
>>>>>>> some reason. I don't recall if she did dagguerotype too. If<br>
>>>>> I can find<br>
>>>>>>> her name, I'll let you know.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Dunno if this helps at all. Cheers.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> David<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 1:47 AM, Christian Rice<br>
>>>>> <<a href="mailto:clrice@gmail.com" target="_blank">clrice@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:clrice@gmail.com" target="_blank">clrice@gmail.com</a>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:clrice@gmail.com" target="_blank">clrice@gmail.com</a><br>
>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:clrice@gmail.com" target="_blank">clrice@gmail.com</a>>><br>
>>>>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:clrice@gmail.com" target="_blank">clrice@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:clrice@gmail.com" target="_blank">clrice@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:clrice@gmail.com" target="_blank">clrice@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:clrice@gmail.com" target="_blank">clrice@gmail.com</a>>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Another aspect of this procedure that seems like it<br>
>>>>> wouldn't work<br>
>>>>>>> for me is I don't want bromine water--I want to drip some<br>
>>>>> liquid<br>
>>>>>>> bromine onto a bed of silica gel crystals. The moisture from<br>
>>>>>>> bromine water is not good for my fuming process.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> I think distillation might be the answer to that (as if<br>
>>>>> I'd know);<br>
>>>>>>> but it's a lot easier to talk about than for me to<br>
>>>>> accomplish.<br>
>>>>>>> Isolating bromine is not something one wants to mess up<br>
>>>>> with...<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> You seem to be confident with chemistry...where does that<br>
>>>>> come from,<br>
>>>>>>> if I may ask?<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Ok, I'm going cross eyed, thanks for the late night<br>
>>>>> responses, I'll<br>
>>>>>>> continue research when the sun rises.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> --christian<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> On Jun 29, 2011, at 1:25, Jasmine Strong<br>
>>>>> <<a href="mailto:jasmine@electronpusher.org" target="_blank">jasmine@electronpusher.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jasmine@electronpusher.org" target="_blank">jasmine@electronpusher.org</a>><br>
>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jasmine@electronpusher.org" target="_blank">jasmine@electronpusher.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jasmine@electronpusher.org" target="_blank">jasmine@electronpusher.org</a>>><br>
>>>>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jasmine@electronpusher.org" target="_blank">jasmine@electronpusher.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jasmine@electronpusher.org" target="_blank">jasmine@electronpusher.org</a>><br>
>>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jasmine@electronpusher.org" target="_blank">jasmine@electronpusher.org</a><br>
>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jasmine@electronpusher.org" target="_blank">jasmine@electronpusher.org</a>>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> ... yeah, he should have used chlorine bleach in place<br>
>>>>> of hydrogen<br>
>>>>>>> peroxide. It would have worked then.<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> -J.<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> On 29 Jun 2011, at 01:20, Christian Rice wrote:<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Hmm, I watched that video, the procedure fails to<br>
>>>>> isolate bromine...<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Back to the drawing board for me...<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> --christian<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 29, 2011, at 0:48, Jasmine Strong<br>
>>>>>>> <<a href="mailto:jasmine@electronpusher.org" target="_blank">jasmine@electronpusher.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jasmine@electronpusher.org" target="_blank">jasmine@electronpusher.org</a>><br>
>>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jasmine@electronpusher.org" target="_blank">jasmine@electronpusher.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jasmine@electronpusher.org" target="_blank">jasmine@electronpusher.org</a>>><br>
>>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jasmine@electronpusher.org" target="_blank">jasmine@electronpusher.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jasmine@electronpusher.org" target="_blank">jasmine@electronpusher.org</a>><br>
>>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jasmine@electronpusher.org" target="_blank">jasmine@electronpusher.org</a><br>
>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jasmine@electronpusher.org" target="_blank">jasmine@electronpusher.org</a>>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> On 29 Jun 2011, at 00:43, Jasmine Strong wrote:<br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 29 Jun 2011, at 00:39, Christian Rice wrote:<br>
>>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi there. I'm working with the mercury<br>
>>>>> daguerreotype process<br>
>>>>>>> and I'm in need of some Br2, the purer, the better,<br>
>>>>>> 99.x%. Water<br>
>>>>>>> sanitizing stuff (pool/spa tablets and powders) won't do.<br>
>>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>>> You can make some by electrolyzing bromine solution<br>
>>>>> sold for<br>
>>>>>>> pool/spa use. In the quantities you need it's certainly<br>
>>>>> not worth<br>
>>>>>>> the expense of going through the hazmat training you'd<br>
>>>>> need to have<br>
>>>>>>> a commercial vendor sell you the stuff.<br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9zB6_-vzSM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9zB6_-vzSM</a><br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> Here's a process for extracting the stuff.<br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> -J.<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
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