Good point point, John.<div><br><div>I think for ML at Noisebridge to be successful we've got to have both camps going strong, because without camp 2 nothing would get done and we'd have no bragging rights, but without camp 1, camp 2 could start to feel a little too much like Work.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Can anyone recommend a good intro text?</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 4:39 PM, John J. Kaufman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:binky@onemain.com">binky@onemain.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">So, there seems to be (at least) two kinds of people interested in the group:<br>
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1. People who just want to learn/talk about ML stuff<br>
2. People who want to work on ML projects<br>
<br>
I'm firmly in the first camp (though I do think some coding can help the learning process), and I think it is a necessary step for people to go through before they get to the second group (after which they burn out and move back to camp 1 and start oscillating forever more).<br>
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I think if we can find an undergrad level text on ML, it would give something for Camp 1s to do, either singly or with others... and the Camp 2 project folks can be there hacking and recruiting.<br>
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>From: Josh Myer <<a href="mailto:josh@joshisanerd.com">josh@joshisanerd.com</a>><br>
>Sent: Sep 2, 2009 7:19 PM<br>
>To: <a href="mailto:ml@lists.noisebridge.net">ml@lists.noisebridge.net</a><br>
>Subject: [ml] Change of formats for ML group<br>
><br>
>Hi,<br>
><br>
>I'm your friendly ML Wednesday Host/Mad Hatter. As such, I'm getting<br>
>ready to declare "Let's all move one place on", and wanted to bring<br>
>everybody up to speed and see how that goes.<br>
><br>
>In the past, we've done a lot of lectures at ML Wednesday; those went<br>
>okay, but they weren't always so popular. In particular, not everyone<br>
>could follow every lecture, so attendance was kind of churning: people<br>
>would come for a week or three, then drop out for a month.<br>
><br>
>To try and keep people engaged, we did some more workshop-like things,<br>
>which went really really well (neural networks), but were hard to keep<br>
>going. It was especially hard to keep the whole group on the same<br>
>page--it required too many blocking steps to resync everyone to the<br>
>same stage of progress.<br>
><br>
>More recently, we've had just a single project going, which has<br>
>basically killed attendance (but damn they've been fun). It's been<br>
>fun, but we went from a high attendance of 15 people down to tonight<br>
>being probably just Ted and I.<br>
><br>
>So, I'd like to try changing things up again. Sensebridge, the cyborg<br>
>group, has had really good luck with lots of smaller projects going on<br>
>concurrently. They just get together to hack, and occasionally give<br>
>presentations, etc. This seems like it could be a good model for us<br>
>now, given that we have more people with more experience using<br>
>techniques and tools. I'd love to see some people play with Mario AI,<br>
>while others work on the WiiMote project, etc, all with other people<br>
>around to ask questions or offer support.<br>
><br>
>To do this, we need two things: project ideas and a bit of<br>
>focus/dedication to making it happen regularly. I believe we can pull<br>
>this off, but it requires a bit more work from people than we've had<br>
>in the past.<br>
><br>
>So, who's got project ideas? Who wants to work on what kinds of<br>
>problems? If you've got one, start a new thread on this list, and<br>
>hopefully we'll be able to build up resources (techniques, libraries,<br>
>and people) to see which projects we can get going.<br>
><br>
>Let's move one place on!<br>
>--<br>
>Josh Myer 650.248.3796<br>
> <a href="mailto:josh@joshisanerd.com">josh@joshisanerd.com</a><br>
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