[Neuro] Eyes-open EEG stimulation via the ear canals

Wed Oct 10 16:57:16 UTC 2012

Insofar as your statements on the pricing, I am in agreement.  A large portion of the funding requirement is related to the studio-quality audio components in the ear receptacles; if the general consensus is that lesser audio fidelity would make the product more marketable from a cost perspective, then I can modify the product design to include a dynamic driver instead of a balanced armature receiver, although I doubt hitting the full 20-20KHz audible range would be attainable with a lower cost speaker array.

Would it make sense to target a $200 price point for the iPhone variant by using a dynamic driver for the audio portion?  I could probably get close to that number with that type of a hardware design change.

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Why all the hate?

Google Scholar thinks it's on the up and up...
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=bright+light+therapy&btnG=&as_sdt=1%2C5&as_sdtp=

Bright light therapy has been proven as a treatment for Seasonal Affective disorder and perinatal depression.  This isn't homeopathy. Lots of our brain responds to light already, http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/the-human-brain-is-sensitive-to-light-breakthrough-findings-from-valkee-and-the-university-of-oulu-127506878.html so no genetic modification or probes are nessesary.

  I have been looking into adding led's to Mitches Brain machine to stimulate the ears too.

The point is that the science behind it is sound. Sham studies of bright light therapy are everywhere.  Maybe we should take a moment to look for white papers before virtually tarring and feathering people.

That said 300-600 dollars for an led you stick in your ear is not a price that I would pay... To sum up IMHO The science seems square but the price seems exploitative of people with mental health issues.

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1) This is not a medical device, and at no point in time has it been represented as such on this list or elsewhere.  This is an experimental photic stimulation system that utilizes the ear canals instead of the eyes.

2) Observing charting data from a multichannel EEG monitoring device while using a photic stimulation system and/or binaural beats generator is not rocket science.  Using FFT analysis, changes in brainwave activity directly corresponding to the area of the EEG spectrum targeted by the photic stimulation session are easily observed.
This is especially the case when using randomized photic stimulation methods such as the Brain Brightening routines developed by Dr. Thomas Budzynski (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Budzynski), and further elaborated in his 1999 Journal of Neuropathy peer reviewed study "Academic Performance Enhancement with Photic Stimulation and EDR Feedback" (http://tinyurl.com/9hpxtod).

3) By observing EEG monitoring hardware with FFT analysis within each of the EEG bands, I have observed similar (and sometimes stronger) changes in brainwave activity from light sources projected into the ear canal vs. the use of LED glasses.

4) If these changes you mention are in reality just a "placebo effect" from magnetic bracelets and faith healing, then pursuant to the peer reviewed study listed above you may very well have discovered a way of increasing a subject's GPA, long term learning retention, and memory consolidation with the use of a prop or placebo.  As such, it would  make sense for you to hire a patent attorney so that we can engage in talks about licensing your placebo technology for integration with a product that costs much less to develop and bring to market than what I am currently developing.

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On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Gregory Perry
<Gregory.Perry at govirtual.tv<mailto:Gregory.Perry at govirtual.tv>> wrote:
> If you have discovered a method of dynamically shaping brainwave activity using a simple placebo or prop, then maybe you should consider retaining a patent attorney to protect your method.

? do you even understand what placebo effect is?

That's the whole point. It affects your brain, because you merely
believe it ? rather than because of anything physiological.

It seems like you're not actually interested in science here. Carry on
with selling fake medical devices based on bogus claims.

- Sai

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Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 19:39:58 -0700
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Go light ear!

Lauren Palmateer, PhD Electrical Engineering
Core Team Consultant, SmallTech Consulting, LLC
Technology and Strategic Consultant in Specialized Fields of Displays,
Intellectual Property and High Tech Manufacturing
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Subject: Re: [Neuro] Eyes-open EEG stimulation via the ear canals

1) This is not a medical device, and at no point in time has it been
represented as such on this list or elsewhere.  This is an experimental
photic stimulation system that utilizes the ear canals instead of the eyes.

2) Observing charting data from a multichannel EEG monitoring device while
using a photic stimulation system and/or binaural beats generator is not
rocket science.  Using FFT analysis, changes in brainwave activity directly
corresponding to the area of the EEG spectrum targeted by the photic
stimulation session are easily observed.
This is especially the case when using randomized photic stimulation methods
such as the Brain Brightening routines developed by Dr. Thomas Budzynski
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Budzynski), and further elaborated in
his 1999 Journal of Neuropathy peer reviewed study "Academic Performance
Enhancement with Photic Stimulation and EDR Feedback"
(http://tinyurl.com/9hpxtod).

3) By observing EEG monitoring hardware with FFT analysis within each of the
EEG bands, I have observed similar (and sometimes stronger) changes in
brainwave activity from light sources projected into the ear canal vs. the
use of LED glasses.

4) If these changes you mention are in reality just a "placebo effect" from
magnetic bracelets and faith healing, then pursuant to the peer reviewed
study listed above you may very well have discovered a way of increasing a
subject's GPA, long term learning retention, and memory consolidation with
the use of a prop or placebo.  As such, it would  make sense for you to hire
a patent attorney so that we can engage in talks about licensing your
placebo technology for integration with a product that costs much less to
develop and bring to market than what I am currently developing.

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[noisebridge at saizai.com<mailto:noisebridge at saizai.com>]
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Subject: Re: [Neuro] Eyes-open EEG stimulation via the ear canals

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Gregory Perry
<Gregory.Perry at govirtual.tv<mailto:Gregory.Perry at govirtual.tv>> wrote:
> If you have discovered a method of dynamically shaping brainwave activity
using a simple placebo or prop, then maybe you should consider retaining a
patent attorney to protect your method.

. do you even understand what placebo effect is?

That's the whole point. It affects your brain, because you merely
believe it - rather than because of anything physiological.

It seems like you're not actually interested in science here. Carry on
with selling fake medical devices based on bogus claims.

- Sai
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