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Hi Jim,<BR>
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You can give me your dues when you pick up the battery tomorrow morning. And there is a key waiting for you at the space.<BR>
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Mitch.<BR>
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<BR>---------------<BR>> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] General Meeting Notes 7 October 2008 --JimComments<BR>> From: jim@well.com<BR>> To: dmolnar@eecs.berkeley.edu<BR>> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 16:55:43 -0700<BR>> CC: noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Thank you, david, for the big job of writing all <BR>> that down. <BR>> not to cause trouble, rather to help: a couple <BR>> of points. <BR>> <BR>> * i plan to do electricity upgrades thursday and <BR>> friday (and other days). initial work will be just <BR>> to add circuits for the fishbowl workshop. <BR>> a couple of people verbally have told me they <BR>> support my purchase of parts as going toward my <BR>> monthly dues. I cannot afford to pay monthly dues <BR>> and buy a few hundred dollars of electrical parts. <BR>> IF YOU OBJECT, please say so now, and i will <BR>> pay my three months' dues to someone and then ask <BR>> for money to go buy the parts and do what i can <BR>> with what parts i can buy. <BR>> (i am currently unemployed and have been for <BR>> months; i like it that way, but money is tight.) <BR>> had i been able to attend after shannon brought <BR>> keys, i would have stood up while jake talked. <BR>> if you have an interest in what's happening <BR>> with electrical upgrades, please read the wiki <BR>> discussion (talk) page: <BR>> https://www.noisebridge.net/index.php/Talk:Electricity_Upgrade <BR>> the "real" page is a little awry wrt <BR>> predicting what'll happen: <BR>> https://www.noisebridge.net/index.php/Electricity_Upgrade <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> * wells fargo, at least for corporate business <BR>> accounts, wants a minimum of $4000 in the account. <BR>> if the balance falls below that, WF charges $16 <BR>> per month ($192 per year if account always falls <BR>> short). there are other banks that have easier <BR>> policies (WaMu, now a proud member of the Chase <BR>> Banking family, provides free checking and debit <BR>> for commercial accounts). <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> On Wed, 2008-10-08 at 02:22 -0700, David Molnar wrote:<BR>> > Hi all,<BR>> > <BR>> > Here are my notes from the meeting today. Please let me know if you have<BR>> > any additions, questions, or amendments, etc.. I'll wiki-fy them after a<BR>> > day or two, including any fixes people send me, unless someone else<BR>> > feels like doing it.<BR>> > <BR>> > Roughly 32-35 people in attendance.<BR>> > <BR>> > 1) Incorporation Status<BR>> > <BR>> > * Secretary of State has accepted the incorporation documents<BR>> > * The first Board resolutions to activate the corporation have been<BR>> > drafted, need to be slightly fixed up, redrafted, and then signed by<BR>> > Board members. Then we are an active California Public Benefit<BR>> > Non-Profit corporation.<BR>> > ** ETA: Wednesday 8 October 2008<BR>> > ** Andy and Mitch take responsibility for obtaining signatures<BR>> > * David Molnar will file online for a Tax ID number<BR>> > * Noisebridge will then open an account with Wells Fargo<BR>> > ** There is a branch down the street<BR>> > ** Question about Wells Fargo's stability - they appear to be stable<BR>> > (they are eating other banks, not being eaten)<BR>> > ** Question about credit unions -- they appear not to be a good fit for<BR>> > small businesses<BR>> > * Wells Fargo can be changed later if membership desires, but we need a<BR>> > bank account now<BR>> > <BR>> > 2) Keys, Dues, Membership<BR>> > <BR>> > * Shannon Lee sent out to make many copies of the key to the space<BR>> > ** People are getting keys tonight<BR>> > <BR>> > * Bootstrap Membership process<BR>> > ** We have talked about a 3 month contribution/waiting period<BR>> > ** Do not want to prevent people from being members who have contributed<BR>> > so far!<BR>> > ** Therefore invite people to join now<BR>> > ** Initial members will help us all make a membership process<BR>> > ** Goal: simple 1-page document to sign stating agreement with<BR>> > Noisebridge mission, disclaim liability, and agree to pay dues on time<BR>> > <BR>> > * Dues: where does it go?<BR>> > ** Rent - $1975/month<BR>> > ** Electric bill - we're not sure exactly, but $300-$600?<BR>> > *** Previous tenants paid $365 for 1.3 megawatt-hours (13,000 100-watt<BR>> > lightbulbs on continuously)<BR>> > *** House can use 2 megawatt-hours per month<BR>> > ** Connectivity - DSL + cable bill<BR>> > ** Consumables - toilet paper, resistors, etc.<BR>> > <BR>> > * Board exists to fill will of membership<BR>> > * Want to trust the members. "We're not sacred cows. Don't be afraid to<BR>> > kill us."<BR>> > ** "Don't actually murder us."<BR>> > <BR>> > * Want to collect 2x rent every month<BR>> > ** Cushion because we don't know our monthly expenses yet<BR>> > ** Will be moving target until we work this out<BR>> > <BR>> > * Two proposals for membership fees, assuming 55 members:<BR>> > 1) Baseline fee of $75, "starving hacker" fee of $50<BR>> > 2) Baseline fee of $80, "starving hacker" fee of $40<BR>> > <BR>> > * We accept donations above membership fee<BR>> > ** If you want a "Corporate Rate" of $5000/month we can do that<BR>> > <BR>> > * Pay 3 months or more at a time if you can<BR>> > ** Helps Noisebridge figure out what to expect<BR>> > * Jake promises to sink as much money as needed to keep Noisebridge<BR>> > running for one year more<BR>> > <BR>> > * Feeling that $10 makes a difference to starving hackers, so $80/$40<BR>> > * What do members get for their dues?<BR>> > ** Need to work that out with members<BR>> > ** Keys at a minimum<BR>> > * Membership lapses? 1 month behind on dues?<BR>> > ** Another thing to figure out<BR>> > ** Won't take away key because you're one month behind<BR>> > <BR>> > * Door lock progress<BR>> > ** Goal: keycard lock<BR>> > ** Thomas is obtaining bill of materials for AnonAccess keycard system<BR>> > ** We will be obtaining a quote for SALTO DESFire system, too<BR>> > ** Contact David Molnar to be on the Lock Team<BR>> > <BR>> > * For now, trust the members to do the right thing with keys<BR>> > * Do we redo key discussion when we have a new lock?<BR>> > ** Probably not, but we will talk about it<BR>> > ** Likely scenario: trade in key for keycard<BR>> > * What if income is low enough that $40 is too much?<BR>> > ** Gender issues, women work for 50 cents/dollar<BR>> > ** Scholarship program - Noisebridge forgives some dues?<BR>> > ** Sponsorship/patronage program - one member sponsors another?<BR>> > ** We will try to work something out<BR>> > * The $40 is not "hard wired"<BR>> > * Grants?<BR>> > ** Jake looking at $150K grant for "hacker in residence" program<BR>> > * Want to make Noisebridge accessible as possible<BR>> > * Even if not member, not paying dues, welcome to hang out at space!<BR>> > * Members will also be part of consensus process<BR>> > ** Welcome input from non-members too, but members decide<BR>> > * Greg wanted to point out that the $80/$40 can be reviewed at a future<BR>> > time, even if we agree to it now<BR>> > ** Put as agenda item for meeting on wiki<BR>> > * Treasurer will open source accounting<BR>> > ** Subject to privacy of donors - $1k in anon donations already<BR>> > <BR>> > * Should ask "does anyone disagree" with consensus rather than "does<BR>> > everyone agree" - easier to hear when there are dissenting voices<BR>> > ** Adopted<BR>> > <BR>> > * After Shannon arrived with the keys (at the end of the meeting), Jake<BR>> > then asked people to sit down. Then Jake asked people to stand up if<BR>> > they felt they had made a contribution, that they would continue to make<BR>> > a contribution, and they were OK with paying dues. Many people stood up,<BR>> > they all got keys.<BR>> > <BR>> > * Consensus: Move forward with $80 baseline, $40 "starving hacker" dues,<BR>> > with concerns noted about payment in kind, sponsorship, or scholarship<BR>> > for people that can't afford $40 but still contribute. Also noted that<BR>> > these numbers are open to revision.<BR>> > <BR>> > 3) Consensus Process and Running Meetings<BR>> > <BR>> > * Proposals for improving meeting and consensus process:<BR>> > ** 90 minute time limit to meetings<BR>> > ** Recorder reads back consensus to everyone, asks "Does anyone disagree?"<BR>> > ** Do not decide big things in same meeting when introduced<BR>> > ** Limit ad-hoc agenda items (see also 90 minute time limit)<BR>> > * Who joins the consensus process? "Wander in off the street" issue.<BR>> > ** Have to be a member<BR>> > ** Person has to be a member of a group for consensus to work<BR>> > ** This deals with "out of nowhere" problem<BR>> > * Can we get IRC channel to discuss beforehand?<BR>> > ** Yes. See #noisebridge on irc.freenode.net !<BR>> > ** Sadly, this by itself does not shorten meetings<BR>> > * NYC Resistor - need to do a cool project to be a member<BR>> > * What about members interested but not present?<BR>> > ** Some weeks people can't leave the apartment<BR>> > ** People travel<BR>> > * Ubuntu Boston meetings: webcam, IRC<BR>> > * Space will have projector, webcam, microphones<BR>> > * Work on telepresence and tele-consensus needs doing<BR>> > * Process discussion will go on wiki<BR>> > * Consensus: we are not done yet discussing the consensus process. More<BR>> > work needed.<BR>> > <BR>> > 4) Safety Committee<BR>> > <BR>> > * Seth Schoen is starting a Safety Committee. He couldn't make it<BR>> > tonight, but he has already started adding things to the space.<BR>> > * Currently 2 fire extinguishers, some goggles, earplugs, etc.<BR>> > * e-mail the list and start a wiki page about Safety Committee<BR>> > * Action items for Safety Committee: figure out agenda items for near<BR>> > future meeting<BR>> > * Question - are board members on Safety Committee? Jake is.<BR>> > * Consensus: we have a Safety Team.<BR>> > <BR>> > 5) Kitchen and Chem Lab<BR>> > <BR>> > * Shannon previously had suggested on list that we scrap the kitchen and<BR>> > use it exclusively as a chem lab.<BR>> > * Shannon stated at the meeting that he felt the consensus was to keep<BR>> > the kitchen. No one disagreed with this.<BR>> > * Meredith described plans for a fume hood on casters.<BR>> > * Meredith and Shannon will form the Chem Lab Team. Talk to them if you<BR>> > want to help out with building out the chem lab.<BR>> > <BR>> > * Consensus: we keep the kitchen. We have a Chem Lab Team.<BR>> > <BR>> > 6) Insurance Status<BR>> > <BR>> > * David Molnar is handling interactions with insurance agents.<BR>> > ** One agent gathering a General Liability quote for us<BR>> > ** Another agent has given us application forms<BR>> > ** Forms sent to board@lists.noisebridge.net, archives public<BR>> > ** Check wiki page, ask David if any questions<BR>> > <BR>> > * We are applying for the following insurance:<BR>> > ** $1MM of general liability, $500K per occurrence, because the lease<BR>> > says we need to have it. Covers slip and fall, accidents, etc.<BR>> > ** Property theft insurance - $15K replacement cost, $1K deductible, but<BR>> > this may change depending on the premium. This covers Noisebridge<BR>> > property of the space only, so it covers the oscilloscope but it DOES<BR>> > NOT cover your laptop! We will ask about coverage for member property<BR>> > and see how much it costs.<BR>> > ** $1MM of Directors & Officers insurance. Protects board and officers<BR>> > in case a donor sues the corporation for mishandling a donation among<BR>> > other things. At a previous meeting Alameda County Computer Resource<BR>> > Center people suggested seriously having this.<BR>> > <BR>> > * These are starting points for insurance so we can get up and running.<BR>> > We can revisit in the future. In particular we may want to increase the<BR>> > coverage for member property. That depends on our finances and the cost.<BR>> > Our priority now is to get the basics in place to cover operations.<BR>> > ** Until then, please don't leave your laptop in the space.<BR>> > <BR>> > * Two people pointed out that renters' insurance may cover personal<BR>> > property lost in the space. Check your coverage!<BR>> > <BR>> > * Consensus: David M. should continue to pursue insurance.<BR>> > <BR>> > 7) Safari<BR>> > <BR>> > * Brian/endenizen is researching Safari, online book service for<BR>> > O'Reilly books<BR>> > * Current status is we can get a corporate account at no cost to<BR>> > Noisebridge proper, then that enables individuals to access cheaper<BR>> > plans than they could obtain on their own. Need minimum 5 people.<BR>> > * Plans are pre-paid, cheapest is $153/year in advance<BR>> > * Cheapest plan is 10 books / 30 day period, not downloadable<BR>> > * Slightly more expensive plan allows downloading<BR>> > * Plans rocket up in cost from there<BR>> > * Still need individual accounts under the corporate account, but these<BR>> > accounts are transferable<BR>> > * Brian asked if group is OK with having a group account, also asked if<BR>> > there were at least 5 people interested<BR>> > * More than 5 people raised their hands<BR>> > * Meredith pointed out competing services may be available.<BR>> > * This does not establish a precedent that all no-fee corporate accounts<BR>> > are automatically OK. For example, would need to discuss a corporate<BR>> > Zipcar account. Settle on case-by-case basis.<BR>> > <BR>> > * Consensus: Brian can move forward with a corporate account for<BR>> > Noisebridge and organizing Team Safari. Several members have concerns<BR>> > about being associated with a service that uses Digital Rights<BR>> > Management, but these concerns are not blocking. In addition, future<BR>> > corporate accounts must be discussed on a case-by-case basis.<BR>> > <BR>> > _______________________________________________<BR>> > Noisebridge-discuss mailing list<BR>> > Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net<BR>> > https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss<BR>> <BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> Noisebridge-discuss mailing list<BR>> Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net<BR>> https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss<BR><BR></body>
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