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Yup, agreed.<BR>
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<BR>--------------------<BR>> Subject: RE: [Noisebridge-discuss] Printer<BR>> From: jim@well.com<BR>> To: maltman23@hotmail.com<BR>> CC: danielast@gmail.com; noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net<BR>> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:21:48 -0800<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> one element that seems raised is that of "us" <BR>> "accepting". <BR>> any one of "us" can bring in stuff, which is, <BR>> by the fact of its appearance, "accepted". <BR>> <BR>> seems to me good that we collectively keep an <BR>> eye on things and as long as we can manage (by <BR>> taking overage to ACCRC or other places, including <BR>> the dumps), continue "accepting". <BR>> an unpleasant alternative is that of creating <BR>> the acceptance police. better to keep up a good <BR>> janitorial and organizing effort. that and active <BR>> hacking and repurposing of the accepted. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> On Mon, 2008-11-17 at 16:07 -0800, Mitch Altman wrote:<BR>> > Reality check -- please be aware that we have a very small space, and<BR>> > stuff piles up very quickly. If folks (such as Jim?) are willing to<BR>> > make regular runs to ACCRC and dump unused stuff (if ACCRC is willing<BR>> > to take it from us) then that would work out dandy. But if stuff<BR>> > starts to pile up, our hacker space will become a crowded heap<BR>> > of not-very-usable electonic stuff.<BR>> > <BR>> > My experience with this comes from one of my volunteer projects as a<BR>> > computer refurbisher (under the name of Online Policy Group, another<BR>> > 501(c)(3) org) -- being a very small version of ACCRC: collecing<BR>> > computers and parts and putting together nice computer systems and<BR>> > giving them away for free to non-profit groups and low-income folks.<BR>> > I'm very careful about what I accept now-a-days, since back in the<BR>> > early days I'd accept pretty much anything that seemed cool, and<BR>> > before long I had 2 huge overloaded U-Hauls full of 5000 pounds of<BR>> > stuff I couldn't use. ACCRC graciously saved me by accepting the 2<BR>> > huge overloaded U-Hauls full without charging me anything (they said<BR>> > they normally would have charged me $0.50 per pound -- no way I could<BR>> > have afforded that!).<BR>> > <BR>> > Anyways, I'm all for canabalizing for parts. It's fun. It's cool.<BR>> > And it makes for great, free parts. But we need to be conscious of<BR>> > keeping our small space useable for the zillions of cool projects that<BR>> > we're all working on there.<BR>> > <BR>> > My 2 (or 3) cents.<BR>> > <BR>> > Mitch.<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > ______________________________________________________________________<BR>> > Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:33:37 -0800<BR>> > From: danielast@gmail.com<BR>> > To: jim@well.com<BR>> > Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Printer<BR>> > CC: noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net<BR>> > <BR>> > Hi<BR>> > <BR>> > I am aware that we dont need more printers but I thought to check<BR>> > with you before I get rid of 2 printers.<BR>> > <BR>> > One is a serial printer multi-function Espson stylus 6600, and<BR>> > another is a USB multifunction printer Epson stylus CX5200. I am sure<BR>> > that somebody could make them work or hack. They turn on but the<BR>> > printing device gives me an error.<BR>> > <BR>> > Please let me know if anyone would like to play with them or if I<BR>> > should take them somewhere else.<BR>> > <BR>> > D<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 8:35 AM, jim <jim@well.com> wrote:<BR>> > <BR>> > +1<BR>> > deconstructing things can yield an often<BR>> > overlooked class of goodies: fittings and<BR>> > other mechanical oddments that are impossible<BR>> > to find at retail stores.<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > On Mon, 2008-11-17 at 08:25 -0800, Jeff Keyzer wrote:<BR>> > > I personally think that Noisebridge as a whole needs to<BR>> > rethink what I<BR>> > > see as a policy of, by default, refusing free stuff.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Yes, the space is small.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Yes, it is a nuisance if someone brings 30 pounds of toxic<BR>> > waste into<BR>> > > the space.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Yes, some people are going to use us as a dumping ground for<BR>> > stuff<BR>> > > they don't want (and we don't either).<BR>> > ><BR>> > > However, telling people that "no, we do not want your stuff"<BR>> > leaves a<BR>> > > lasting impression that will still be in the back of their<BR>> > mind when<BR>> > > they stumble upon a 40MHz function generator, or a free<BR>> > logic<BR>> > > analyzer, or a dual Xeon whatever rack sys in the alley.<BR>> > Yes, they<BR>> > > may have mostly worthless junk this time, but maybe next<BR>> > time they<BR>> > > will have something that someone in the space actually<BR>> > wants. My fear<BR>> > > is that they may choose to donate somewhere else or just<BR>> > keep on<BR>> > > walking based on their first interaction with us.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Also, seemingly worthless donations may actually contain<BR>> > useful parts<BR>> > > inside. Maybe that Mission-alley-inkjet (you've seen them)<BR>> > contains<BR>> > > exactly the right 5mm sprocket someone needs? Maybe the<BR>> > 20th wall-<BR>> > > wart we get is actually a decent switching power supply with<BR>> > > reconfigurable voltage jumpers inside and has just the right<BR>> > connector<BR>> > > to go with that thing you're working on?<BR>> > ><BR>> > > I think the focus should instead be on how to sell or<BR>> > re-donate junk<BR>> > > we don't need and how to dispose of the overflow properly<BR>> > instead of<BR>> > > routinely turning donations away.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Tearing down stuff is fun, even if you only end up with a<BR>> > couple LEDs<BR>> > > and a stepper motor when you're done.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Jeff Keyzer<BR>> > > jeff@mightyohm.com<BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > > On Nov 16, 2008, at 10:43 PM, Rubin Abdi wrote:<BR>> > ><BR>> > > > I really appreciate you finding more printers. The<BR>> > question I have<BR>> > > > is do we want more printers?<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > > On Nov 16, 2008, at 8:19 PM, Mitch Altman wrote:<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > >> I just received an email from a company in LA that wants<BR>> > to donate<BR>> > > >> 4 network printers to us. I emailed them saying we could<BR>> > use them,<BR>> > > >> and asked them if they could ship them to us in SF (I'm<BR>> > not sure<BR>> > > >> they knew we're not in LA area). They said that they are<BR>> > all in<BR>> > > >> good working condition.<BR>> > > >><BR>> > > >> Mitch.<BR>> > > >><BR>> > > >><BR>> > > >> ------------------<BR>> > > >> > From: rubin@starset.net<BR>> > > >> > To: noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net<BR>> > > >> > Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:15:38 -0800<BR>> > > >> > Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Printer<BR>> > > >> ><BR>> > > >> > Rigel and I troubleshooted and got the HP LaserJet<BR>> > 2200dt<BR>> > > >> operational.<BR>> > > >> > It's on the network, information about it and other<BR>> > printers we add<BR>> > > >> > into the network later on can be found here...<BR>> > > >> ><BR>> > > >> > https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Printers<BR>> > > >> ><BR>> > > >> > The toner provided with the machine was producing<BR>> > really blotchy<BR>> > > >> nasty<BR>> > > >> > printouts. Andy showed me a box containing a different<BR>> > used toner,<BR>> > > >> > which I've placed into the machine. It still sort of<BR>> > sucks, but<BR>> > > >> not as<BR>> > > >> > bad as the previous toner, which is now sitting behind<BR>> > the<BR>> > > >> printer if<BR>> > > >> > anyone cares to recycle or throw it out.<BR>> > > >> ><BR>> > > >> > I've gone ahead and created a new section in the<BR>> > Network page on<BR>> > > >> the<BR>> > > >> > wiki which deals with Network devices and services.<BR>> > There are<BR>> > > >> links to<BR>> > > >> > the Printers page and Music page.<BR>> > > >> ><BR>> > > >> > --<BR>> > > >> > Rubin Abdi<BR>> > > >> > Rubin@Starset.net<BR>> > > >> ><BR>> > > >> > _______________________________________________<BR>> > > >> > Noisebridge-discuss mailing list<BR>> > > >> > Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net<BR>> > > >> ><BR>> > https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss<BR>> > > >><BR>> > > ><BR>> > > ><BR>> > > > --<BR>> > > > Rubin Abdi<BR>> > > > Rubin@Starset.net<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > > _______________________________________________<BR>> > > > Noisebridge-discuss mailing list<BR>> > > > Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net<BR>> > > ><BR>> > https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss<BR>> > ><BR>> > > _______________________________________________<BR>> > > Noisebridge-discuss mailing list<BR>> > > Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net<BR>> > ><BR>> > https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss<BR>> > ><BR>> > <BR>> > _______________________________________________<BR>> > Noisebridge-discuss mailing list<BR>> > Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net<BR>> > https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > -- <BR>> > www.danielast.com<BR>> <BR><BR></body>
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