And bear in mind that we have a universal garbage disposal: anything left outside will be sold for crack money in under 9000 milliseconds.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 4:21 PM, jim <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jim@well.com">jim@well.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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one element that seems raised is that of "us"<br>
"accepting".<br>
any one of "us" can bring in stuff, which is,<br>
by the fact of its appearance, "accepted".<br>
<br>
seems to me good that we collectively keep an<br>
eye on things and as long as we can manage (by<br>
taking overage to ACCRC or other places, including<br>
the dumps), continue "accepting".<br>
an unpleasant alternative is that of creating<br>
the acceptance police. better to keep up a good<br>
janitorial and organizing effort. that and active<br>
hacking and repurposing of the accepted.<br>
<div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br>
<br>
On Mon, 2008-11-17 at 16:07 -0800, Mitch Altman wrote:<br>
> Reality check -- please be aware that we have a very small space, and<br>
> stuff piles up very quickly. If folks (such as Jim?) are willing to<br>
> make regular runs to ACCRC and dump unused stuff (if ACCRC is willing<br>
> to take it from us) then that would work out dandy. But if stuff<br>
> starts to pile up, our hacker space will become a crowded heap<br>
> of not-very-usable electonic stuff.<br>
><br>
> My experience with this comes from one of my volunteer projects as a<br>
> computer refurbisher (under the name of Online Policy Group, another<br>
> 501(c)(3) org) -- being a very small version of ACCRC: collecing<br>
> computers and parts and putting together nice computer systems and<br>
> giving them away for free to non-profit groups and low-income folks.<br>
> I'm very careful about what I accept now-a-days, since back in the<br>
> early days I'd accept pretty much anything that seemed cool, and<br>
> before long I had 2 huge overloaded U-Hauls full of 5000 pounds of<br>
> stuff I couldn't use. ACCRC graciously saved me by accepting the 2<br>
> huge overloaded U-Hauls full without charging me anything (they said<br>
> they normally would have charged me $0.50 per pound -- no way I could<br>
> have afforded that!).<br>
><br>
> Anyways, I'm all for canabalizing for parts. It's fun. It's cool.<br>
> And it makes for great, free parts. But we need to be conscious of<br>
> keeping our small space useable for the zillions of cool projects that<br>
> we're all working on there.<br>
><br>
> My 2 (or 3) cents.<br>
><br>
> Mitch.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> ______________________________________________________________________<br>
> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:33:37 -0800<br>
> From: <a href="mailto:danielast@gmail.com">danielast@gmail.com</a><br>
> To: <a href="mailto:jim@well.com">jim@well.com</a><br>
> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Printer<br>
> CC: <a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a><br>
><br>
> Hi<br>
><br>
> I am aware that we dont need more printers but I thought to check<br>
> with you before I get rid of 2 printers.<br>
><br>
> One is a serial printer multi-function Espson stylus 6600, and<br>
> another is a USB multifunction printer Epson stylus CX5200. I am sure<br>
> that somebody could make them work or hack. They turn on but the<br>
> printing device gives me an error.<br>
><br>
> Please let me know if anyone would like to play with them or if I<br>
> should take them somewhere else.<br>
><br>
> D<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 8:35 AM, jim <<a href="mailto:jim@well.com">jim@well.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> +1<br>
> deconstructing things can yield an often<br>
> overlooked class of goodies: fittings and<br>
> other mechanical oddments that are impossible<br>
> to find at retail stores.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Mon, 2008-11-17 at 08:25 -0800, Jeff Keyzer wrote:<br>
> > I personally think that Noisebridge as a whole needs to<br>
> rethink what I<br>
> > see as a policy of, by default, refusing free stuff.<br>
> ><br>
> > Yes, the space is small.<br>
> ><br>
> > Yes, it is a nuisance if someone brings 30 pounds of toxic<br>
> waste into<br>
> > the space.<br>
> ><br>
> > Yes, some people are going to use us as a dumping ground for<br>
> stuff<br>
> > they don't want (and we don't either).<br>
> ><br>
> > However, telling people that "no, we do not want your stuff"<br>
> leaves a<br>
> > lasting impression that will still be in the back of their<br>
> mind when<br>
> > they stumble upon a 40MHz function generator, or a free<br>
> logic<br>
> > analyzer, or a dual Xeon whatever rack sys in the alley.<br>
> Yes, they<br>
> > may have mostly worthless junk this time, but maybe next<br>
> time they<br>
> > will have something that someone in the space actually<br>
> wants. My fear<br>
> > is that they may choose to donate somewhere else or just<br>
> keep on<br>
> > walking based on their first interaction with us.<br>
> ><br>
> > Also, seemingly worthless donations may actually contain<br>
> useful parts<br>
> > inside. Maybe that Mission-alley-inkjet (you've seen them)<br>
> contains<br>
> > exactly the right 5mm sprocket someone needs? Maybe the<br>
> 20th wall-<br>
> > wart we get is actually a decent switching power supply with<br>
> > reconfigurable voltage jumpers inside and has just the right<br>
> connector<br>
> > to go with that thing you're working on?<br>
> ><br>
> > I think the focus should instead be on how to sell or<br>
> re-donate junk<br>
> > we don't need and how to dispose of the overflow properly<br>
> instead of<br>
> > routinely turning donations away.<br>
> ><br>
> > Tearing down stuff is fun, even if you only end up with a<br>
> couple LEDs<br>
> > and a stepper motor when you're done.<br>
> ><br>
> > Jeff Keyzer<br>
> > <a href="mailto:jeff@mightyohm.com">jeff@mightyohm.com</a><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On Nov 16, 2008, at 10:43 PM, Rubin Abdi wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > > I really appreciate you finding more printers. The<br>
> question I have<br>
> > > is do we want more printers?<br>
> > ><br>
> > > On Nov 16, 2008, at 8:19 PM, Mitch Altman wrote:<br>
> > ><br>
> > >> I just received an email from a company in LA that wants<br>
> to donate<br>
> > >> 4 network printers to us. I emailed them saying we could<br>
> use them,<br>
> > >> and asked them if they could ship them to us in SF (I'm<br>
> not sure<br>
> > >> they knew we're not in LA area). They said that they are<br>
> all in<br>
> > >> good working condition.<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> Mitch.<br>
> > >><br>
> > >><br>
> > >> ------------------<br>
> > >> > From: <a href="mailto:rubin@starset.net">rubin@starset.net</a><br>
> > >> > To: <a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a><br>
> > >> > Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:15:38 -0800<br>
> > >> > Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Printer<br>
> > >> ><br>
> > >> > Rigel and I troubleshooted and got the HP LaserJet<br>
> 2200dt<br>
> > >> operational.<br>
> > >> > It's on the network, information about it and other<br>
> printers we add<br>
> > >> > into the network later on can be found here...<br>
> > >> ><br>
> > >> > <a href="https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Printers" target="_blank">https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Printers</a><br>
> > >> ><br>
> > >> > The toner provided with the machine was producing<br>
> really blotchy<br>
> > >> nasty<br>
> > >> > printouts. Andy showed me a box containing a different<br>
> used toner,<br>
> > >> > which I've placed into the machine. It still sort of<br>
> sucks, but<br>
> > >> not as<br>
> > >> > bad as the previous toner, which is now sitting behind<br>
> the<br>
> > >> printer if<br>
> > >> > anyone cares to recycle or throw it out.<br>
> > >> ><br>
> > >> > I've gone ahead and created a new section in the<br>
> Network page on<br>
> > >> the<br>
> > >> > wiki which deals with Network devices and services.<br>
> There are<br>
> > >> links to<br>
> > >> > the Printers page and Music page.<br>
> > >> ><br>
> > >> > --<br>
> > >> > Rubin Abdi<br>
> > >> > Rubin@Starset.net<br>
> > >> ><br>
> > >> > _______________________________________________<br>
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