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But we really should be very reluctant to put electronics on the street. It really is toxic waste -- both in reality, and by law. It needs to be disposed of properly.<BR>
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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:23:39 -0800<BR>From: shannon@scatter.com<BR>To: jim@well.com<BR>Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Printer<BR>CC: maltman23@hotmail.com; noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net<BR><BR>And bear in mind that we have a universal garbage disposal: anything left outside will be sold for crack money in under 9000 milliseconds.<BR><BR><BR>
<DIV class=EC_gmail_quote>On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 4:21 PM, jim <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:jim@well.com">jim@well.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=EC_gmail_quote style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex"><BR> one element that seems raised is that of "us"<BR>"accepting".<BR> any one of "us" can bring in stuff, which is,<BR>by the fact of its appearance, "accepted".<BR><BR> seems to me good that we collectively keep an<BR>eye on things and as long as we can manage (by<BR>taking overage to ACCRC or other places, including<BR>the dumps), continue "accepting".<BR> an unpleasant alternative is that of creating<BR>the acceptance police. better to keep up a good<BR>janitorial and organizing effort. that and active<BR>hacking and repurposing of the accepted.<BR>
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<DIV class=EC_Wj3C7c><BR><BR>On Mon, 2008-11-17 at 16:07 -0800, Mitch Altman wrote:<BR>> Reality check -- please be aware that we have a very small space, and<BR>> stuff piles up very quickly. If folks (such as Jim?) are willing to<BR>> make regular runs to ACCRC and dump unused stuff (if ACCRC is willing<BR>> to take it from us) then that would work out dandy. But if stuff<BR>> starts to pile up, our hacker space will become a crowded heap<BR>> of not-very-usable electonic stuff.<BR>><BR>> My experience with this comes from one of my volunteer projects as a<BR>> computer refurbisher (under the name of Online Policy Group, another<BR>> 501(c)(3) org) -- being a very small version of ACCRC: collecing<BR>> computers and parts and putting together nice computer systems and<BR>> giving them away for free to non-profit groups and low-income folks.<BR>> I'm very careful about what I accept now-a-days, since back in the<BR>> early days I'd accept pretty much anything that seemed cool, and<BR>> before long I had 2 huge overloaded U-Hauls full of 5000 pounds of<BR>> stuff I couldn't use. ACCRC graciously saved me by accepting the 2<BR>> huge overloaded U-Hauls full without charging me anything (they said<BR>> they normally would have charged me $0.50 per pound -- no way I could<BR>> have afforded that!).<BR>><BR>> Anyways, I'm all for canabalizing for parts. It's fun. It's cool.<BR>> And it makes for great, free parts. But we need to be conscious of<BR>> keeping our small space useable for the zillions of cool projects that<BR>> we're all working on there.<BR>><BR>> My 2 (or 3) cents.<BR>><BR>> Mitch.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> ______________________________________________________________________<BR>> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:33:37 -0800<BR>> From: <A href="mailto:danielast@gmail.com">danielast@gmail.com</A><BR>> To: <A href="mailto:jim@well.com">jim@well.com</A><BR>> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Printer<BR>> CC: <A href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</A><BR>><BR>> Hi<BR>><BR>> I am aware that we dont need more printers but I thought to check<BR>> with you before I get rid of 2 printers.<BR>><BR>> One is a serial printer multi-function Espson stylus 6600, and<BR>> another is a USB multifunction printer Epson stylus CX5200. I am sure<BR>> that somebody could make them work or hack. They turn on but the<BR>> printing device gives me an error.<BR>><BR>> Please let me know if anyone would like to play with them or if I<BR>> should take them somewhere else.<BR>><BR>> D<BR>><BR>><BR>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 8:35 AM, jim <<A href="mailto:jim@well.com">jim@well.com</A>> wrote:<BR>><BR>> +1<BR>> deconstructing things can yield an often<BR>> overlooked class of goodies: fittings and<BR>> other mechanical oddments that are impossible<BR>> to find at retail stores.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> On Mon, 2008-11-17 at 08:25 -0800, Jeff Keyzer wrote:<BR>> > I personally think that Noisebridge as a whole needs to<BR>> rethink what I<BR>> > see as a policy of, by default, refusing free stuff.<BR>> ><BR>> > Yes, the space is small.<BR>> ><BR>> > Yes, it is a nuisance if someone brings 30 pounds of toxic<BR>> waste into<BR>> > the space.<BR>> ><BR>> > Yes, some people are going to use us as a dumping ground for<BR>> stuff<BR>> > they don't want (and we don't either).<BR>> ><BR>> > However, telling people that "no, we do not want your stuff"<BR>> leaves a<BR>> > lasting impression that will still be in the back of their<BR>> mind when<BR>> > they stumble upon a 40MHz function generator, or a free<BR>> logic<BR>> > analyzer, or a dual Xeon whatever rack sys in the alley.<BR>> Yes, they<BR>> > may have mostly worthless junk this time, but maybe next<BR>> time they<BR>> > will have something that someone in the space actually<BR>> wants. My fear<BR>> > is that they may choose to donate somewhere else or just<BR>> keep on<BR>> > walking based on their first interaction with us.<BR>> ><BR>> > Also, seemingly worthless donations may actually contain<BR>> useful parts<BR>> > inside. Maybe that Mission-alley-inkjet (you've seen them)<BR>> contains<BR>> > exactly the right 5mm sprocket someone needs? Maybe the<BR>> 20th wall-<BR>> > wart we get is actually a decent switching power supply with<BR>> > reconfigurable voltage jumpers inside and has just the right<BR>> connector<BR>> > to go with that thing you're working on?<BR>> ><BR>> > I think the focus should instead be on how to sell or<BR>> re-donate junk<BR>> > we don't need and how to dispose of the overflow properly<BR>> instead of<BR>> > routinely turning donations away.<BR>> ><BR>> > Tearing down stuff is fun, even if you only end up with a<BR>> couple LEDs<BR>> > and a stepper motor when you're done.<BR>> ><BR>> > Jeff Keyzer<BR>> > <A href="mailto:jeff@mightyohm.com">jeff@mightyohm.com</A><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > On Nov 16, 2008, at 10:43 PM, Rubin Abdi wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> > > I really appreciate you finding more printers. The<BR>> question I have<BR>> > > is do we want more printers?<BR>> > ><BR>> > > On Nov 16, 2008, at 8:19 PM, Mitch Altman wrote:<BR>> > ><BR>> > >> I just received an email from a company in LA that wants<BR>> to donate<BR>> > >> 4 network printers to us. I emailed them saying we could<BR>> use them,<BR>> > >> and asked them if they could ship them to us in SF (I'm<BR>> not sure<BR>> > >> they knew we're not in LA area). They said that they are<BR>> all in<BR>> > >> good working condition.<BR>> > >><BR>> > >> Mitch.<BR>> > >><BR>> > >><BR>> > >> ------------------<BR>> > >> > From: <A href="mailto:rubin@starset.net">rubin@starset.net</A><BR>> > >> > To: <A href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</A><BR>> > >> > Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:15:38 -0800<BR>> > >> > Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Printer<BR>> > >> ><BR>> > >> > Rigel and I troubleshooted and got the HP LaserJet<BR>> 2200dt<BR>> > >> operational.<BR>> > >> > It's on the network, information about it and other<BR>> printers we add<BR>> > >> > into the network later on can be found here...<BR>> > >> ><BR>> > >> > <A href="https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Printers">https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Printers</A><BR>> > >> ><BR>> > >> > The toner provided with the machine was producing<BR>> really blotchy<BR>> > >> nasty<BR>> > >> > printouts. Andy showed me a box containing a different<BR>> used toner,<BR>> > >> > which I've placed into the machine. It still sort of<BR>> sucks, but<BR>> > >> not as<BR>> > >> > bad as the previous toner, which is now sitting behind<BR>> the<BR>> > >> printer if<BR>> > >> > anyone cares to recycle or throw it out.<BR>> > >> ><BR>> > >> > I've gone ahead and created a new section in the<BR>> Network page on<BR>> > >> the<BR>> > >> > wiki which deals with Network devices and services.<BR>> There are<BR>> > >> links to<BR>> > >> > the Printers page and Music page.<BR>> > >> ><BR>> > >> > --<BR>> > >> > Rubin Abdi<BR>> > >> > Rubin@Starset.net<BR>> > >> ><BR>> > >> > _______________________________________________<BR>> > >> > Noisebridge-discuss mailing list<BR>> > >> > <A href="mailto:Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</A><BR>> > >> ><BR>> <A href="https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss">https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss</A><BR>> > >><BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > > --<BR>> > > Rubin Abdi<BR>> > > Rubin@Starset.net<BR>> > ><BR>> > > _______________________________________________<BR>> > > Noisebridge-discuss mailing list<BR>> > > <A href="mailto:Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</A><BR>> > ><BR>> <A href="https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss">https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss</A><BR>> ><BR>> > _______________________________________________<BR>> > Noisebridge-discuss mailing list<BR>> > <A href="mailto:Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</A><BR>> ><BR>> <A href="https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss">https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss</A><BR>> ><BR>><BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> Noisebridge-discuss mailing list<BR>> <A href="mailto:Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</A><BR>> <A href="https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss">https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss</A><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> --<BR>> <A href="http://www.danielast.com/">www.danielast.com</A><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>Noisebridge-discuss mailing list<BR><A href="mailto:Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</A><BR><A href="https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss">https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss</A><BR><BR></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR clear=all><BR>-- <BR>Shannon Lee<BR>(503) 539-3700<BR></body>
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