Who are you talking to Marc?<br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 11:50 AM, Marc Powell <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marc@foodhacking.com">marc@foodhacking.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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On Sun, 23 Nov 2008, skye estes wrote:<br>
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> this was already brought up in the irc; jay and i both agreed that a. no<br>
> harm was done and b. all parties involved will make sure that such a thing<br>
> never happens again at the space.<br>
><br>
> to quinn and meredith: as stated earlier, jay is my good friend. that is the<br>
> only reason i was sure he would find it amusing and took the pictures after<br>
> the fact. this would have been applicable and harmless at, say, a party or<br>
> some other social situation.<br>
><br>
> this is not indicative of how i feel the space should be treated. i want<br>
> everyone to feel comfortable there, and as i don't know most of the people<br>
> that hang out there very well, i have no inclination to allow anyone to be<br>
> drawn on or anything similar.<br>
><br>
> this sort of horseplay is only okay between close friends, as far as i'm<br>
> concerned, and we will keep it out of the space from here on in order to<br>
> avoid any further possibility of making its participants feel uncomfortable,<br>
> unsafe, or unwelcome.<br>
><br>
> .skye.<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://skye.heli.cx" target="_blank">http://skye.heli.cx</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 6:34 AM, Mikael Vejdemo Johansson<br>
> <<a href="mailto:mik@stanford.edu">mik@stanford.edu</a>>wrote:<br>
><br>
> > On Nov 22, 2008, at 8:42 PM, skye estes wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> >> had it been someone i didn't know very well or at all, i would agree, and<br>
> >> would certainly have stopped it from happening, but jay is my friend, and it<br>
> >> was a silly little thing that's being blown out of proportion because it<br>
> >> happened at noisebridge.<br>
> >><br>
> >> had it happened anywhere else, it would warrant nothing more than a<br>
> >> chuckle and it would never be mentioned again. i know that the space is a<br>
> >> community, but i don't think that it's the community's place to tell friends<br>
> >> how to behave with each other if it doesn't affect anyone else.<br>
> >><br>
> >> that said, i did apologize to jay, but again, that's between friends, and<br>
> >> the pictures were just meant to provide some momentary amusement. i'll<br>
> >> delete the wiki page. this is so over.<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> > You probably have noticed by now, but the issue is not so much that Jay is<br>
> > cool with you doing stuff that gets people upset. It's much more that all of<br>
> > a sudden, very many of the Noisebridge people are realizing that at least<br>
> > one person apparently views (familiar and) sleeping/napping people at the<br>
> > space as being fair game for getting drawn on with markers.<br>
> ><br>
> > Apparently Shannon, Quinn and mlp really don't want Noisebridge to be that<br>
> > kind of place. I'm not sure I want it to either - on the other hand, I have<br>
> > been known to have "label body parts" with markers being one of the things I<br>
> > start doing when sufficiently sugar high. Only on live subjects though - not<br>
> > on sleepers....<br>
> ><br>
> > Aaaaanyway.<br>
> ><br>
> > I would feel sad if this led to a state where People I Find Awesome are no<br>
> > longer probable to be discovered still asleep at the space when I come in<br>
> > weekend late mornings. It would make Noisebridge slightly less awesome, and<br>
> > would subject everyone to much more logistics.<br>
> ><br>
> > It wouldn't seem to be an issue that requires dealing with in the general<br>
> > assembly: I for one hope that the strength of emotion around this issue<br>
> > indicates to those of us (me included, see labeling body parts above) that<br>
> > might be inclined to wield markers what price that inclination would bring,<br>
> > and what would constitute and not constitute being excellent to each other.<br>
> ><br>
> > // Mikael<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 8:29 PM, Shannon Lee <<a href="mailto:shannon@scatter.com">shannon@scatter.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> >> I can't believe I even have to say this.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Standing there and taking a picture and laughing while someone does<br>
> >> something you find reprehensible makes you a coward, as well as an<br>
> >> accessory. So yeah, it was you that did it.<br>
> >><br>
> >> And just because JSharp is gracious about it doesn't mean it was OK.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Seriously, grow up.<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 8:18 PM, skye estes <<a href="mailto:skye.estes@gmail.com">skye.estes@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> >> clarification: i did not do this. i would not have even considered doing<br>
> >> this. that is not me in the picture. i just posted the pictures and the<br>
> >> link. that said, i found it amusing after the fact.<br>
> >><br>
> >> jay was there with me today. i of course showed him the post. he was not<br>
> >> nearly as upset as everyone else seems to be. i think a harmless prank is<br>
> >> being blown out of proportion.<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 8:07 PM, Shannon Lee <<a href="mailto:shannon@scatter.com">shannon@scatter.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> >> That was not awesome.<br>
> >><br>
> >> This isn't a fucking frat. Act like a grownup. And you owe JSharp an<br>
> >> apology.<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 12:09 PM, C C <<a href="mailto:crisachow14@gmail.com">crisachow14@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> >> Ooooh. Totally mean.<br>
> >><br>
> >> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 5:27 AM, skye estes <<a href="mailto:skye.estes@gmail.com">skye.estes@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> >> <a href="https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/BootsOn" target="_blank">https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/BootsOn</a><br>
> >><br>
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> > Mikael Vejdemo Johansson, Dr.rer.nat<br>
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