<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times; font-size: 16px; "><div style="margin-top: 8px; margin-right: 8px; margin-bottom: 8px; margin-left: 8px; font: normal normal normal small/normal arial; ">I have to agree with Quinn. While the original premise I believe is valid since I've experienced people as Paul is describing and are bothered by it as well, this thread is going in a different direction than that.<div>
<br></div><div><br></div><div>-Ani</div><div><br><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Quinn Norton <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:quinn@quinnnorton.com">quinn@quinnnorton.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<br>this thread is getting very hackier than thou, which i find dissapointing<br><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br>On Sun, 1 Mar 2009, peter wrote:<br><br>> Re: Josh's comment.<br>><br>> Thank you for reminding us all that this is meant to be a space<br>
> specifically for hacking projects. While I am not a great offender on<br>> this front, I, at times, find myself treating noisebridge as a hangout<br>> space. We can all hang out anywhere! Let's try to keep a space<br>
> dedicated to hacking for hacking.<br>><br>> Which is not to say that there is no place for socializing at<br>> noisebridge, but srsly, let's try to focus on hacking at the hacking<br>> space, shall we :)<br>
><br>> Best,<br>> Peter<br>><br>> On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 8:15 PM, Paul Böhm <<a href="mailto:paul@boehm.org">paul@boehm.org</a>> wrote:<br>> > Well,<br>> ><br>> > personally i've managed to tell people clearly i don't want to listen<br>
> > to their bullshit - and that works.<br>> > having to overhear nonsense is hard, but headphones work.<br>> ><br>> > however i'm worried that if we have too much nonsense-talking people here, then<br>
> > only people with a very high tolerance for nonsense and bullshit will<br>> > stick around.<br>> ><br>> > this is especially true since the people i'm thinking about, almost<br>> > hunt after newcomers, who are too polite to verbalize that after 15<br>
> > minutes of nonsense they are feeling really uncomfortable.<br>> ><br>> > paul<br>> ><br>> > On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Josh Myer <<a href="mailto:josh@joshisanerd.com">josh@joshisanerd.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> >> On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 06:54:36PM -0800, Paul Böhm wrote:<br>> >>> ok, my brain is about to explode - there's people here at nb who<br>> >>> constantly babble nonsense because they are attention starved<br>
> >>> this alienates newcomers (since they haven't learned to ignore these<br>> >>> people yet) and makes me want to avoid noisebridge<br>> >>><br>> >>> opinions on this?<br>
> >><br>> >> I totally agree with the frustration, and feel it acutely. As for<br>> >> fixes: Wear headphones? Set expectations that you're not someone<br>> >> who's going to just listen? These two strategies have served me well<br>
> >> thus far... Then again, I'm pretty comfortable with being a jerk.<br>> >><br>> >> In the same vein, we have a lot of people who think of noisebridge as<br>> >> a place to hang out, not a place to come and hack. It's frustrating<br>
> >> many of us, especially because we haven't found a good way to say<br>> >> "It's awesome that you're here, and we'd love to help you work on<br>> >> stuff. What do you want to work on, and how can our community help<br>
> >> you accomplish that?" It's sort of insidious: there's nobody who is<br>> >> clearly abusing the space, it's just that people's behaviors are<br>> >> shifting the way people use the space. noisebridge is inadvertantly<br>
> >> becoming a place to come and surf youtube in the evening instead of a<br>> >> place to hang out with others who are soldering, coding, or sewing.<br>> >><br>> >> Personally, I only come in to work/collaborate on specific things.<br>
> >> It's kind of a bummer, but it's not so bad. I wind up being a<br>> >> floating question-answerer (or, at least, reference-pointer-outer)<br>> >> anyway, so I get sucked into interesting things beyond my little<br>
> >> focus. If I was less flexible or pragmatic about how I used my time<br>> >> in the space, though, this would be incredibly frustrating.<br>> >><br>> >> I think the general problem of people-who-are-distracting is solved<br>
> >> with a single question: how do we integrate people into our do-acracy<br>> >> and minimize idle hands at 83c?<br>> >> --<br>> >> Josh Myer 650.248.3796<br>> >> <a href="mailto:josh@joshisanerd.com">josh@joshisanerd.com</a><br>
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