An even lower tech idea:<br>Offer an "unlimited drinks" plan to members for an extra $20 on top of membership costs. This way, if someone consumes a ton of drinks, people bitch at them AND we get their money. I don't really think it's necessary to consider payment for every individual drink, when we can just charge for them in batch.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:52 AM, Shannon Clark <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:shannon.clark@gmail.com">shannon.clark@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>A low tech idea:</div><div><br></div><div>Sell punch cards for say $10</div><div>(price everything perhaps in $1 increments)</div><div><br></div><div>Then have a punch for people to mark off when they take a drink.�</div>
<div><br></div><div>The advantages:</div><div><br></div><div>- money up front/in advance, probably directly to Mitch at meetings</div><div><br></div><div>- still honor system and easy enough for people to buy each other drinks</div>
<div><br></div><div>- a punch probably can be found (or hacked) to make a noticable noise when used</div><div><br></div><div>Disadvantages:</div><div><br></div><div>- still probably need to take cash for people who are just stopping by</div>
<div><br></div><div>- asks people for a larger purchase ($10 vs $1 ten times)</div><div><br></div><div>Anyway a low tech idea.�</div><div><br></div><div>Shannon<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><div></div><div class="h5">
<div><br>On Mar 5, 2009, at 12:41 AM, Christie Dudley <<a href="mailto:longobord@gmail.com" target="_blank">longobord@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Oh!� I like the barcode idea.� And the sound.� We were talking about having some sort of RFID system or something, but since folks have been talking about barcodes already, I think there might be some motivation in that direction.� (I maintain that I'm lazy, but Andy points out that people are notoriously bad at keeping track.)� An advantage of using a bar code reader is we could use codes already on the cans and bottles.<br>
<br>I'll see what I can do about making a more visible sign.� I confess even I have trouble reading it sometimes down there.<br><br>Interesting point about the cash theft.� I guess that thought didn't even cross my mind.� It's pretty appalling to think that someone would steal everyone's money directly, but I guess it could happen.� But at least until we can come up with an excessively technical solution to a simple problem, then I'd like to have plenty of cash on hand.� $50 in 1's is a little excessive though.<br>
<br>And when is sticking LEDs on something that can be programmed via the web not fun?� Oh, wait, that would require a...� I'll just avoid that, um, discussion right now.� hmmm... what about twitter?� If Michael Shiloh can come up with a twitter to Morse code python plugin, we could come up with something for LEDs I'm sure.<br>
<br>Christie<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:06 AM, Paul B�hm <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:paul@boehm.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:paul@boehm.org" target="_blank">paul@boehm.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
things that have helped drink payment morale at metalab:<br>
<br>
1) making prices MORE visible (having the list on the refrigerator<br>
where you have to kneel to read them is not good enough),<br>
2) having payment make a noise (so if someone gets a drink, you know<br>
you should have heard a noise before they come back to the<br>
table/couch, or you can politely remind them)<br>
3) putting up a picture of an eye saying smtn along the lines of<br>
"Protip: stealing from friends is not cool.' (see<br>
<a href="http://fridge.metalab.at/" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://fridge.metalab.at/" target="_blank">http://fridge.metalab.at/</a>)<br>
4) putting up a container and getting a few people to be responsible<br>
for emptying the cash into that container when too much accumulates.<br>
only the treasurer should be able to empty that central container.<br>
reason: though less likely (if people are cool - and we are<br>
excellent), cash theft is worse than people not paying for drinks.<br>
5) putting LEDs on the fridge that can be programmed via the web<br>
(well, that didn't really help, but it was fun - again see<br>
<a href="http://fridge.metalab.at/" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://fridge.metalab.at/" target="_blank">http://fridge.metalab.at/</a>)<br>
<br>
that said, having the money around isn't a longterm solution we've<br>
noticed. current metalab consensus is to go with prepaid barcode cards<br>
or something along these lines and play a oneup supermario sound<br>
whenever someone pays. the implementation is like 95% done - i don't<br>
know why this never got finished. if someone wants to play with it, i<br>
can summon the code (very pretty web interface with supermario gfx and<br>
stuff - just needs a database backend).<br>
<br>
enki<br>
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On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Christie Dudley <<a href="mailto:longobord@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:longobord@gmail.com" target="_blank">longobord@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> I did an accounting of the monies taken in thus far for the drinks we<br>
> restocked.� As anticipated, the new drink selection is pretty popular.<br>
> Restock was Friday evening, and with what's missing, we should have taken in<br>
> well over $100.<br>
><br>
> We didn't.� We only took in about 3/4 of what we should have, just for<br>
> what's missing, not counting the stuff that was leftover from before the<br>
> restock (which is gone too).<br>
><br>
> Now, I hate haranguing people about this, but I find it really depressing<br>
> that with all this attention I've been bringing that this is the best we can<br>
> do.� I have to ask:� Is there any reason why people aren't paying?� Are the<br>
> prices not clear?� Do you find the prices too high?� Do you think there's<br>
> something wrong with the system?<br>
><br>
> If you have issues, by all means bring them up.� Even if you have just heard<br>
> reasons people have given for not paying, it'd be good to get them on the<br>
> table so we can get them resolved.� Please don't depend on your friends to<br>
> buy for you when they believe they're supporting Noisebridge instead.<br>
><br>
> Christie<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err.<br>
> ~ Mohandas K. (Mahatma) Gandhi<br>
><br>
> If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what<br>
> they do not want to hear.<br>
> ~ George Orwell<br>
><br>
> Freedom is the will to be responsible to ourselves.<br>
> ~ Friedrich Nietzsche<br>
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