<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi all,<div><br></div><div>I'd be interested to participate in this planning session - I've done a lot of teaching before, but never in this kind of environment, so I'm not sure how much I'd be able to contribute. I could make it at 6:30 tomorrow, but wouldn't want someone else to miss it on my account (see aforementioned caveat).</div><div><br></div><div>Hoping this doesn't matter, but I'm not a noisebridge member (yet!) -- however I have been by 83c a few times at this point and you seem like excellent people!</div><div><br></div><div>J.D.</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Mar 29, 2009, at 10:10 AM, Mitch Altman wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div class="hmmessage" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana; ">Yay!<br> <br> <br>The "proposal" at this point is only a collection of thoughts. Do you have something more complete already? Should we (everyone interested in participating) get together to talk in person and put an outline together?<br> <br> <br>I'm super busy getting four projects together this week (!) but my schedule is almost all flexible, and I can make time whenever is good for others.<br> <br> <br>I'll make two suggestions for a time/place to get together:<br> Monday (tomorrow) at 3pm at Noisebridge<br> Monday (tomorrow) at 6:30pm at Noisebridge<br>If anyone interested can/can't make either of the above, please say so and/or suggest another place/time.<br> <br> <br>Best,<br> <br>Mitch.<br> <br> <br><br> <br>-----------------------<br> <br>> Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 08:28:01 -0700<br>> From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:michaelshiloh1010@gmail.com">michaelshiloh1010@gmail.com</a><br>> To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:maltman23@hotmail.com">maltman23@hotmail.com</a><br>> CC:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:danielast@gmail.com">danielast@gmail.com</a>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a><br>> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] FW: [Fwd: FW from Eva Meyers: ExCEL Request for Proposals 2009-2010]<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Talked it over with my partner at TMTM, and we would love to<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> collaborate. Thanks for asking!<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> At what stage is the proposal?<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Michael<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Mitch Altman wrote:<br>> > Yeah, Michael, if it's cool by you to collaborate, then I'd love to do<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > that. I enjoyed working together with you at ETech and at the school<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > with the MAKE Mobile. I'd like to do more. :)<br>> ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > Let me know your thoughts.<br>> ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > Best,<br>> ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > Mitch.<br>> ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:23:56 -0700<br>> > Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] FW: [Fwd: FW from Eva Meyers: ExCEL<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > Request for Proposals 2009-2010]<br>> > From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:danielast@gmail.com">danielast@gmail.com</a><br>> > To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:michaelshiloh1010@gmail.com">michaelshiloh1010@gmail.com</a><br>> > CC:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:maltman23@hotmail.com">maltman23@hotmail.com</a>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a><br>> ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > I think that is great that you are able to collaborate! As I told<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > Mitch, I wish I could do that too but I cannot work for free! I am happy<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > to give input and to have teaching discussions!<br>> ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > However my programs are very different than what you guys do, so i<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > don't think that duplication or cross overs is a problem in my case.<br>> ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > D<br>> ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Michael Shiloh<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > <<a href="mailto:michaelshiloh1010@gmail.com">michaelshiloh1010@gmail.com</a> <<a href="mailto:michaelshiloh1010@gmail.com">mailto:michaelshiloh1010@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>> ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > Mitch Altman wrote:<br>> ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > I wouldn't want you to unsubscribe, Michael.<br>> ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > Thanks!<br>> ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > Is there some way we can collaborate on what we're bidding?<br>> ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > Yeah, I was wondering that myself. I guess my default behavior is to<br>> > bother other people as little as possible, to see what they are<br>> > doing, and then do something else.<br>> ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > We can either collaborate on the bid, or at the very least,<br>> > coordinate our bids so that we avoid duplication.<br>> ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > I'm a little torn - since teaching is now my only income, I do feel<br>> > a need to develop our own teaching reputation and to publicize the<br>> > name of our organization (Teach me to make) as much as possible. On<br>> > the other hand, by pooling our resources, we probably end up with a<br>> > whole that is greater than the sum of the parts.<br>> ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > On the other-other hand, collaboration is ethically and socially of<br>> > higher value. It's just the right thing to do. So I think I'd rather<br>> > go this way.<br>> ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > Let me think on this a minute to make sure I haven't overlooked<br>> > anything.<br>> ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > Michael<br>> ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > Noisebridge-discuss mailing list<br>> ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a><br>> > <<a href="mailto:Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">mailto:Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a>><br>> ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss">https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss</a><br>> ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > --<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > <a href="http://www.danielast.com">www.danielast.com</a> <<a href="http://www.danielast.com/">http://www.danielast.com/</a>><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Noisebridge-discuss mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a><br><a href="https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss">https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss</a><br></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>