That's an awesome analysis of the problem Praveen.� I do feel like there's a lot of "us" and "them" going on with this since we appear to be 2 independent groups living in the same house.� It kind of defeats the purpose of having y'all in the space if you keep to yourselves so much.<br>
<br>Christie<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Praveen Sinha <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dmhomee@gmail.com">dmhomee@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Just as a followup, and I'll make some more cross posts over the diy<br>
bio lists here soon, I think the real problem is that we are<br>
collaborating as 2 separate groups too few chokepoints of<br>
communication, when we all need to realize that we are part of the<br>
same effort.<br>
<br>
That is to say, everyone who is invovled in NB at diybio has to<br>
realize that they are a stakeholder in NB as well (tito, marnia,<br>
looking at you ;-), at NB in DIY Bio as well and that we are all one<br>
family :) � I'll be pressing this point in the diybio-sf group soon.<br>
<br>
Cheers and thanks for your ears...<br>
<div class="im"><br>
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Praveen Sinha <<a href="mailto:dmhomee@gmail.com">dmhomee@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
</div><div><div></div><div class="h5">> Thanks for your input Josh -- I've been talking to the people at DIY<br>
> Bio, and here's the story:<br>
><br>
> 1) I was out of town this weekend, but had talked with and got a<br>
> consensus about diy bio experiment (some of whom are slated to become<br>
> nb members), that followed the safety protocols here:<br>
> � �<a href="https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Noisebridge_Lab_Safety_and_Ethics_Page" target="_blank">https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Noisebridge_Lab_Safety_and_Ethics_Page</a><br>
><br>
> 2) It seems that there was a mixup in communication somehow and we<br>
> have a refridgerator that was being used for the experiment sitting at<br>
> noisebridge. �How this happened, I'm not quite sure, but I'm probing<br>
> around right now to see when we can get it out of there (I haven't<br>
> been to the space yet, is it obstructing things?) .<br>
><br>
> 3) DIY Bio has potentially found a lab space in the north bay which<br>
> will make some of these issues moot, but it looks like a discussion is<br>
> long overdue for some of this stuff so hope to see you all there<br>
> tomorrow<br>
><br>
> 4) I think that there have been a minority of people involved that may<br>
> be being a bit not so respecting of the noisebridge space<br>
> (unintentionally), and I will have a nice friendly talk with everyone<br>
> involved about the be excellent vibes to everyone at diybio....<br>
><br>
> 5) overall, I think there are /communication/ issues involved, and in<br>
> the future I will definately be making sure that anyone who starts<br>
> working at noisebridge is really familiar with the ethics of<br>
> noisebridge and has read the wiki.<br>
><br>
> Cheers,<br>
> Praveen<br>
><br>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Josh Myer <<a href="mailto:josh@joshisanerd.com">josh@joshisanerd.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> My dearest Noisebridge,<br>
>><br>
>> DIYbio hasn't been the most ideal collaborator, I know. �I understand<br>
>> that this is frustrating and generally Not Excellent, but other people<br>
>> have brought that up, and the discussion can go on in that thread.<br>
>> For now, let's talk about you and your feelings.<br>
>><br>
>> I'd like you to think about how you feel about DIYbio. �We'll<br>
>> definitely be discussing the DIYbio thing at an upcoming Tuesday<br>
>> meeting, and the people who use 83c should be prepared to ensure their<br>
>> positions are represented. �This includes both members and<br>
>> non-members, since safety is a universal concern. �Non-members can't<br>
>> block, but they are encouraged to discuss, and might find members who<br>
>> will proxy for them.<br>
>><br>
>> The critical question to ask yourself: Am I comfortable sharing my<br>
>> space with DIYbio? �If you answer "yes, with no provisions," I worry,<br>
>> but, great! �You're done, and can stop reading this thread.<br>
>> Personally, I need more detail. �To wit, here are the questions I've<br>
>> been asking myself:<br>
>><br>
>> Am I comfortable with:<br>
>> 1. what DIYbio wants to store here?<br>
>> 2. how DIYbio is going to store it?<br>
>> 3. what DIYbio is doing with these things?<br>
>> 4. how DIYbio is going about these things (esp. cleanup)?<br>
>> 5. that DIYbio will follow the processes/protocols governing "how"?<br>
>><br>
>> If I am comfortable with these criteria, I should be comfortable with<br>
>> DIYbio sharing the space. �(Am I missing anything from my list?)<br>
>><br>
>> For the DIYbio people: please think about how you'd inform<br>
>> Noisebridgers about each of these areas, and how to assuage any<br>
>> concerns they may raise.<br>
>><br>
>> This kind of breakdown will let us focus our discussions, and, more<br>
>> importantly, allow us to make iterative progress towards mutual<br>
>> understanding. �For instance, once everyone is comfortable with #1, we<br>
>> don't need to talk about the samples again (until they change).<br>
>> --<br>
>> Josh Myer � 650.248.3796<br>
>> �<a href="mailto:josh@joshisanerd.com">josh@joshisanerd.com</a><br>
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