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class=796110817-14042009>I know more about what won't work than what will...
sorry. Here we go:</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=796110817-14042009>Skype Video can only do 1 to 1 video chats.
:-(</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=796110817-14042009></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=796110817-14042009>A camera with a fisheye lens and software panning won't
have acceptable resolution for a video conference unless you throw a lot of
money at a high resolution CCD and good mirror*</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=796110817-14042009></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=796110817-14042009>Stiching webcams can work. stiching 10 frames/second
will take some processing power</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=796110817-14042009></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2><SPAN class=796110817-14042009></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=796110817-14042009>If hosted onsite, there are bandwidth considerations if
there are more than 3 viewers or so. Imagine 10-40kbps per
stream</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=796110817-14042009></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=796110817-14042009>UStream.com with a good microphone and webcam
will work out of the box for a one-way broadcast. The video
archives can be converted to .flv, .wmv or .mp4 and downloaded. Maybe use
skype or teleconference so offsite people can chime in. A good camera and a
camera operator will obviate the need for a lot of software and fisheye lens et
all...</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=796110817-14042009></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
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class=796110817-14042009></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2><SPAN class=796110817-14042009></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=796110817-14042009></SPAN></FONT><FONT
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=796110817-14042009>Broadcasting the computer screen or whiteboard
separately is important because of the resolution needed to see things on a
screen clearly. </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=796110817-14042009>I haven't tried but there are many promising tools out
there including</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=796110817-14042009>* <A
href="http://code.google.com/p/vnc-easy-broadcast/">http://code.google.com/p/vnc-easy-broadcast/</A></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=796110817-14042009>* Taking a snapshot of the screen and posting it as a
.png to a website every 5 seconds could work too.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=796110817-14042009>* MulticastVNC <A
href="http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&js=n&u=http://teleteaching.uni-trier.de/&sl=de&tl=en">http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&js=n&u=http://teleteaching.uni-trier.de/&sl=de&tl=en</A></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=796110817-14042009></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2><SPAN class=796110817-14042009>* <A
href="http://wiki.vislab.usyd.edu.au/moinwiki/VNCast">http://wiki.vislab.usyd.edu.au/moinwiki/VNCast</A></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=796110817-14042009>* <A
href="http://www.tiffanyscreens.com/">http://www.tiffanyscreens.com/</A></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=796110817-14042009></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=796110817-14042009><SPAN class=796110817-14042009>I have a Polycom
conference phone ($20 on eBay) and a Radio Shack Boundary microphone that I can
donate to the effort, but I don't have the energy to own this
process.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=796110817-14042009></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
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class=796110817-14042009></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2><SPAN class=796110817-14042009></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
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class=796110817-14042009>Christy wrote:</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=796110817-14042009>>Here's something more recent than 2006: <A
href="http://securitywatch.eweek.com/exploits_and_attacks/skype_security_problems_multiply_1.html">>http://securitywatch.eweek.com/exploits_and_attacks/skype_security_problems_multiply_1.html</A></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=796110817-14042009>It looks like Skype patched that vulnerability
in less than 7 days. That's pretty good as things
go.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=796110817-14042009>*Why did Ken have to build that
mirror?!</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=796110817-14042009>Lee</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B>
noisebridge-discuss-bounces@lists.noisebridge.net
[mailto:noisebridge-discuss-bounces@lists.noisebridge.net] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Christie Dudley<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, April 13, 2009 5:58 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
Praveen Sinha<BR><B>Cc:</B> NoiseBridge Discuss<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[Noisebridge-discuss] streaming video, teleconferencing and
more<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Here's something more recent than 2006: <A
href="http://securitywatch.eweek.com/exploits_and_attacks/skype_security_problems_multiply_1.html">http://securitywatch.eweek.com/exploits_and_attacks/skype_security_problems_multiply_1.html</A><BR><BR
clear=all>--<BR>Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings
total obliteration.<BR>- Bene Gesserit Litany <BR><BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Christie Dudley <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:longobord@gmail.com">longobord@gmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote
style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">You
can get it set up as multi-point? Everyone I know who has tried has
given up. If there's something I'm missing, I'd be interested to hear
it.<BR clear=all><BR>Security issues were reported at Black Hat Europe in
2006: <A
href="http://www.blackhat.com/presentations/bh-europe-06/bh-eu-06-biondi/bh-eu-06-biondi-up.pdf"
target=_blank>http://www.blackhat.com/presentations/bh-europe-06/bh-eu-06-biondi/bh-eu-06-biondi-up.pdf</A>
I know there are other discussions as well.
<DIV class=im><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT><BR><BR>Christie<BR><BR>--<BR>Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is
the little-death that brings total obliteration.<BR>- Bene Gesserit Litany
<BR><BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Praveen Sinha <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:dmhomee@gmail.com"
target=_blank>dmhomee@gmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote
style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">Well
ideally, to me, what I'd want is some sort of multiplexible video
conferencing thing, which I think skype has, but there may be some other
apps out there as well (thinking about client side ease of us as well as
ours) -- I hate closed protocols too, but what are some of the security
issues with skype? <BR>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Christie Dudley
<SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:longobord@gmail.com"
target=_blank>longobord@gmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote
style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">I
am opposed to using Skype for a number of reasons, not the least of which
includes it being a closed protocol. I just can't get behind
something that has had so many security issues, whether it effects us or
not. <BR><BR>I will agree that Skype is easy to set up, but it's only
available as a point-to-point connection, which prevents it from serving
the purpose we're looking to fulfill here. If a single person can't
participate, it's great. If even 2 can't, it fails. Same goes
for the user-panned webcam. <BR><BR>For more participatory events,
it would be nice to have a fish-eye. I think a 360 one would be too
much and probably make the viewer nauseous. Besides, people who don't want
to be seen online should have somewhere to participate
too.<BR><BR>Christie<BR><FONT color=#888888><BR clear=all>--<BR>Fear is
the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total
obliteration.<BR>- Bene Gesserit Litany <BR><BR><BR></FONT>
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<DIV>On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Josh Myer <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:josh@joshisanerd.com"
target=_blank>josh@joshisanerd.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 03:29:51PM -0700, Praveen Sinha
wrote:<BR>> So my next questions to you all -- noisebridge is
starting to produce some<BR>> really cool sounding sessions and I can
only make a small percentage of<BR>> stuff I'd like to be involved
in. I don't have a lot of video experience,<BR>>
but:<BR>><BR>> 1) Anyone have any suggestions/designs for some
sort of rig we could use to<BR>> capture video/audio of events, for
the purpose of streaming online?<BR>><BR><BR></DIV>I actually have
the dorkbot camera guy's contact info for just this<BR>question.
I'll drop him an email this evening asking for<BR>recommendations
(I don't believe he's on the list).<BR>
<DIV><BR>> 2) I think it would be amazing to be able to
videoconference with other<BR>> hackerspaces (or whomever) on the
wall... With the projector, and skype,<BR>> this could be
really straightforward... But are there better approaches?
My<BR>> employer, for example, has a room called "Virtual
Isabel", where the room is<BR>> replicated in second life, and people
in the physical room talk with the<BR>> avatars in the virtual room,
and the virtual room sees a live stream of the<BR>> physical
room...<BR>><BR><BR></DIV>I like the idea of having a better
telepresence setup, though not<BR>anything nearly as advanced as what
you've got at work. Also, I don't<BR>currently have, and would
rather not create, a SL account (call me<BR>closed-minded and
old-fashioned if you must, but, well, it's apt).<BR><BR>(IIRC, you and I
had chatted about this for ML talks back at the<BR>beginning of those,
as far back as December. I'd love to see us push<BR>through it
now, but haven't wanted to step into it myself just yet.)<BR><FONT
color=#888888>--<BR>Josh Myer 650.248.3796<BR> <A
href="mailto:josh@joshisanerd.com"
target=_blank>josh@joshisanerd.com</A><BR></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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