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color:#1F497D'>By offering the nerd sex life driven children the best hope..
are you condoning child sexual abuse? Or is that just a… unfortunate side
effect. : )<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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noisebridge-discuss-bounces@lists.noisebridge.net
[mailto:noisebridge-discuss-bounces@lists.noisebridge.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Praveen
Sinha<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 01, 2009 7:24 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> aestetix aestetix<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Noisebridge Discuss<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] unannounced groups of non-members at
Noisebridge (esp. kids)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'>Okay just my cents:<br>
<br>
You guys are on crank (in a loveable way of course), we should be
welcoming the damn kids. The issue is not that we need to be censoring
ourselves or changing the way that we are. <br>
<br>
If a small 8 year old kid walks in noisebridge we should embrace them and make
sure they walk out with a pink mohawk, a tony the tiger eyebrow piercing, a bad
attitdue towards authority, and knowing how to solder circuits or sling lines
of ruby in their sleep. <br>
<br>
And I am completely serious about this statement.<br>
<br>
Further, if they are teenagers and they are already doomed to have a horrible
nerd sex life through school, then we offer them the best hope, and they are
/our/ best hope towards having a sane consensus built world and mold paths on
how to overcome the challenges ahead. The fact that we aren't there to
shield them /is exactly/ the point. We are here to be role models to them
in a world that otherwise will fear and shun them.<br>
<br>
I, for one, would want to see noisebridge go ever further and reach out to the
kids in our immediate neighborhood who parents barely make rent, much less get
a laptop for their children. <br>
<br>
Whether we can or want to have large groups at noisebridge seems orthogonal to
this issue.<br>
<br>
In so far as 'adult' oriented charts on the wall etc... If parent's want to
bring their kids to NB, then they should deal with us on our terms :)<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Praveen<br>
<br>
<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 3:01 PM,
aestetix aestetix <<a href="mailto:aestetix@gmail.com" target="_blank">aestetix@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>I think the real issue here is not
that NB is "adult themed", but that it is NOT "kid themed".
I can imagine a lot of people bringing their kids by with the illusion that NB
is a public facing science fair exhibit, with all kinds of activities with a
friendly nature geared towards children. After all, we were at the Maker Faire,
right?<br>
<br>
Those same people could come to NB, expecting the same amount of extroversion
and outgoingness that all the vendors at Maker Faire had, only to discover (1)
there's a lot of discussion, conversation, swearing, etc that is not intended
for children's ears (2) nobody is going to drop everything and gently explain
what they're doing and get the kid involved.<br>
<br>
If such parents arrive with heightened expectations, they will be really
disappointed, and even offended. I don't mind the occasional "can you tone
it down a bit, my kid is here" from a member who brings their kid, but if
the conversation and action turns into an expectation of targeting children, it
will stifle a lot of what's going on. It's the same ethic that parents use when
they mute their TV during a racy scene in a tv show because they don't want
their kids exposed.<br>
<br>
Ultimately the fault of such conflicts is on the parents/teachers for being
retarded. I would almost be in favor of a monthly "open house" for
the public, but that puts pressure on people to create projects for kids to
see, and also turns noisebridge into a museum of exhibits, which it isn't. I
don't want to be completely xenophobic, but I also don't think we need to
overextend ourselves to people who ultimately contribute nothing and are there
to gawk.<br>
<span style='color:#888888'><br>
aestetix</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 2:39 PM,
Christie Dudley <<a href="mailto:longobord@gmail.com" target="_blank">longobord@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Well, the determination to keep
plans, once made, might propel them into our space on Weise. Ever had a
kid you told you were going to do something fun and then not done it?
Besides, it's only a few hundred feet to our door - barely enough distance to
get nervous and turn back, especially if you aren't observant.<br>
<br>
As for adult themes, I was thinking specifically of the Arse Technica poster at
the top of the stairs and the "map of kink" at the bottom of the
stairs. Not a question of nudity or whatnot, so much as "what does
that mean?" questions that are hard to answer. (Although it doesn't
take a lot of imagination to interpret the Arse Technica poster.)<br>
<br>
Although Kelly's comment illustrates my point pretty well. Many of us are
not accustomed to having children around and don't really even notice things
that most parents worry about. Many of the parents associated with our
space are pretty cool with their kids and the exposures they have, but this
doesn't translate to all parents. I think it's an excellent thing to do
to give people enough information to make an informed decision for themselves
and any children they may be responsible for.<br>
<br clear=all>
Christie<br>
<br>
---<br>
"I want us all to think about new and creative ways to engage young people
in science and engineering, whether it's science festivals, robotics
competitions, fairs that encourage young people to create and build and invent
-- to be makers of things, not just consumers of things."<br>
<br>
- President Obama in address to National Academy of Sciences April 27, 2009 <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 2:25 PM,
Kelly <<a href="mailto:hurtstotouchfire@gmail.com" target="_blank">hurtstotouchfire@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>See, here's one of the perks of our
location. If they can make it<br>
down Weiss, I'm not sure we can offend them.<br>
<br>
Incidentally, I don't particularly think that Noisebridge is "adult<br>
themed" at present, but I would welcome a decor trend in that<br>
direction. And as to warning people on the wiki, I guess I'd say do<br>
what thou wilst.<br>
<br>
-K<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Christie Dudley <<a
href="mailto:longobord@gmail.com" target="_blank">longobord@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> It seems to me that "policy" would be the wrong word to use in a
place where<br>
> the running paradigm is "do what thou wilst". If people
feel like letting<br>
> folks into the space, then that will probably happen.<br>
><br>
> It strikes me as wise to have maybe a page on the wiki advising potential<br>
> guests of what to expect in the space. I can see difficult
situations<br>
> avoided if parents understand that we prominently display adult themed<br>
> materials as well as our "use your own judgement" safety
policy. Maybe<br>
> getting a visitor contact up there who can make arrangements to meet them<br>
> would be neat.<br>
><br>
> Then again who reads the wiki anyway. People will continue to come<br>
> unannounced and unprepared.<br>
><br>
> On May 28, 2009 5:40 PM, "Josh Myer" <<a
href="mailto:josh@joshisanerd.com" target="_blank">josh@joshisanerd.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
> On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 05:36:40PM -0700, Seth David Schoen wrote: ><br>
> Christoph Maier writes: > > > ...<br>
><br>
> They've clearly picked up the hope others have abandoned on the hack<br>
> shelf.<br>
><br>
> (It's stashed behind the dead CD-ROM drives, if you've missed it)<br>
> --<br>
> Josh Myer 650.248.3796<br>
> <a href="mailto:josh@joshisanerd.com" target="_blank">josh@joshisanerd.com</a><br>
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