A) the wiki is a wiki - sometimes it changes so that it no longer reflects reality, and sometimes reality changes so that the wiki no longer reflects it.<br><br>B) Noisebridge hasn't been around a long time, and we're still working on consensus on who we are and how things work.<br>
<br>There's been a lot of noise lately about how things are supposed to work and what might go wrong if they don't work that way. Noisebridge has been a very successful experiment in open human-systems design, largely because we have been willing to take a just-in-time approach to social engineering: we don't solve problems before we have them. This means, for example, that we take the opportunities presented by making sure everybody who wants to come to Noisebridge can come there -- which means that it's been useful to as many people as possible -- while waiting to solve the problems associated with handing out keys willy-nilly until we have them.<br>
<br>So far, the problem associated with handing out keys like candy is that we have too many people using the space. This is one of those "good problems," in my opinion; it means we've done something very right, that this many people want to be here. It creates a new opportunity, the opportunity to get bigger and better digs (an opportunity, I might add, that we're not jumping on as hard as we could be).<br>
<br>The problems that we have worried about having have largely not materialized. We haven't experienced any theft, we haven't experienced anyone hanging around the space assaulting people (well, aside from Mike), we haven't had an influx of homeless people living in the space (we do, in fact, have homeless Noisebridgers, and they've all done a magnificent job of not dominating the use of the space). This stuff hasn't happened because everybody who has the use of the space feels "at home" here and wouldn't want to hurt it.<br>
<br>What we've avoided by handing out keys has been bad feelings, and a sense of in-and-out groups -- the idea that there's a group of Special People who can come and go as they please, and a group of Less Special People who are dependent on the Special People for access. That's not a good dichotomy to have, and we've thankfully avoided it. Even if we'd had some of the potential problems I mentioned above, it'd still be worth it to have avoided this social split, combined with the administrative overhead of having to keep track of who's allowed to have a key.<br>
<br>This sort of division leads directly to the kinds of problems we're trying to avoid -- that is, stuff being stolen or hoarded, resources being hogged, people being, and feeling, taken advantage of.<br><br>If we're feeling a little crowded, if we're feeling a little like, "Hey, who are all these people treating my Noisebridge like it's *their* Noisebridge?", maybe it's time to address one or two of the problems we actually have; for example, we could use a new and larger space. If everybody who wrote into the list the last couple of days had instead spent the time browsing Craigslist and calling rental ads, we might have solved our problem, rather than borrowing five more.<br>
<br>--S<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Ed Hunsinger <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:edrabbit@edrabbit.com">edrabbit@edrabbit.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
I feel like the mailing list lately has been a lot of people trying to figure out all the possible edge cases that could come up (there are a bunch of programmers with NB). It's kind of out of hand and I feel sorry for those that are joining the list after hearing about NB at Maker Faire. That being said, here's my contribution:<br>
<br>Personally I feel a little uneasy with the key situation. Not bothered enough to start up a lengthy discussion, until something bad actually happens.<br><br>But it does confuse me when our wiki says:<br><h3><span>When is Noisebridge open? </span></h3>
<p>Our space (83c Wiese) is open 24/7 to good standing members.
Non-members are allowed to visit the space while another member is
willing to accompany them.</p><p>If everyone has a key, then how are we to determine who is a member and who is not, and who it is alright to leave in the space when you leave? A meeting several weeks ago seemed to have resolve this with "anyone in the space is cool", eliminating any need to check. (This may not be the exact resolution, but the meeting notes aren't on the wiki for several meetings?)<br>
</p><p>In addition to this, the wiki page describes a two other "privileges" afforded to members in addition to consensus process: shelf space and junk donation.</p><p>-Ed<font color="#888888"><br></font></p><div>
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On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 6:25 PM, d p chang <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:weasel@meer.net" target="_blank">weasel@meer.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div>Ani Niow <<a href="mailto:v@oneletterwonder.com" target="_blank">v@oneletterwonder.com</a>> writes:<br>
<br>
</div>> Anyway, while I don't know of anyone with a key I would object to<br>
<div>> actually having a key, I hope that you can understand my perspective.<br>
<br>
</div>i think i can see both sides to the discussion (thus far). however, it<br>
does seem that most of the discussions on nb-discuss have been of the<br>
'theorhetical' nature.<br>
<br>
\p<br>
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