<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div>I don't think that outsiders are necessarily, or even typically, angry. And I don't think hubris is long tolerated in a community of true contributors.</div><div><br></div><div>I think the difference between outsiders and contributors is scale of identification. Outsiders identify with the group of people around them socially, contributors with something larger but abstract. Outsiders see themselves as contributors, at least to their group; the people outside their group are seen as aliens and outside the scope of analysis.</div><div><br></div><div>In turn, people's scale of identification is determined powerfully by the level of security they have felt in their life.</div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite">How do we work with each person to help them evolve?<br></blockquote><div><br></div></div></div>First, by framing the case as one of evolution! KATZ!<div><br></div><div>Without gravity, which direction will a tree grow? And other than gravity, what does it need but sunlight and water? (For purposes of poetry, let us neglect nitrogen-fixing bacteria.)</div><div><div><br></div><div>On dates various, Jason Dusek wrote:</div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#000000" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(20, 79, 174); -webkit-text-stroke-width: -1; "> Hackers must also have a characteristic fault; what will it</span></span></b></font></div></div><div> be? It seems the outsider is characterized by anger; the<br> contributor, hubris.</div></blockquote><div><br></div>[...]</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-text-stroke-width: -1; "> Maybe the "outsider" is a stage on the way to "contributor"? I</span></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div> think it takes a different moral sensibility to be committed<br> to others' welfare, as opposed to one's personal excellence.<br><br> Perhaps the outsider/contributor space is a projection from<br> the space of moral evolution. In that case, I think we must<br> set aside the notion of a general approach to helping people<br> move from one stage to the other. Each person's evolution is<br> individual, triggered by events of hidden significance. How do<br> we work with each person to help them evolve?<br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>