"fleecing" has all all the wrong connotations...<br><br clear="all">--- <br>Pigs can fly given sufficient thrust. <br> - RFC 1925<br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 11:06 AM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dfine@sonic.net">dfine@sonic.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
I think it's totally fine for a small fundraiser to break even if it<br>
introduces a lot of new people to your cause. It can pay off in<br>
unexpected ways down the road.<br>
<br>
To make money on a small fundraiser you can't leave it to chance, enact<br>
a plan for fleecing the appropriate amount of money from each attendee<br>
to make it worth the effort.<br>
--D<br>
<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
> I in fact still have the money with me.<br>
><br>
> Likely to no one's surprise, we did not do well.<br>
> Simply put, many people saw free bar and actively ignored the donation<br>
> box. Additionally, there were a select few who definitely consumed<br>
> more than the average guest (and generally donated little or nothing).<br>
><br>
> At the end of the night, we had $325 in donations. (Don't take this<br>
> number as too much yet, see below)<br>
><br>
> The amount spent on the items were as follows:<br>
> Keg of beer $130<br>
> Ice $27.79<br>
> Capt. Morgans $22.98<br>
> Salsa $5.49<br>
> Chips $3.95<br>
> Cups $10.94 (there are many of these cups left over, however, and can<br>
> as such be used another time).<br>
><br>
> Additionally, paper towels and toilet paper were purchased for the<br>
> space at costs of $16.20 and $19.70. As these two items were somewhat<br>
> separate from the bar, I'll leave them on the side.<br>
><br>
> In total I fronted $201.15 yesterday for items for the bar. The<br>
> amount I spent running around town and on parking meters for this,<br>
> along with a bottle of port I randomly donated will also be left out<br>
> of this.<br>
> The initial thought that we walked away with about $125 extra sounds<br>
> good at first (or not terrible, anyway), but that number will get<br>
> dropped quite a bit, sadly.<br>
><br>
> Firstly, in order to keep the cash in the place safe, we emptied the<br>
> money from the fridge (it seemed like a bad idea to have a stash of<br>
> money that random people could find). We didn't count this<br>
> (stupidly), and I am very unsure how much was there, but I'd say<br>
> somewhere between $30 and $50.<br>
> Then, there are some costs we incurred that are not included in my own<br>
> expenses. We went through a bit of the soda that was kindly purchased<br>
> by JSharp -- I'm not sure at all how much off hand, but somewhere in<br>
> the vicinity of ~1.5 cases of soda (approx $20), and perhaps another<br>
> $20 in various other items (vitamin water, hansens, a couple mexican<br>
> cokes [we didn't hand those out really], some candy). We also were<br>
> lucky enough to have Miloh's latest soda, which he put together<br>
> entirely at his expense, and I have no idea how much it cost.<br>
><br>
> In the end, I'd say we broke even or made $20-40.<br>
> --<br>
><br>
> So, do I think it was a good idea to do the bar?<br>
> I'm split. I've heard of three "incidents" that people saw as<br>
> alcohol-fueled and "not excellent".<br>
><br>
> The girls with the chairs were the most destructive, and I did<br>
> actually immediately tell aestetix who was near me to go have them<br>
> stop -- which they ended up doing themselves. I think this was a<br>
> situation where everyone thought it was bad and should stop, but<br>
> somehow no one felt empowered to be able to say anything. A point I<br>
> actually put on the meeting agenda for earlier this week was that ANY<br>
> member has the right to tell guests to cut shit out, or get the hell<br>
> out of our space, but I sadly was unable to make it. I think we<br>
> should drive this point home again though, as it applies to anytime<br>
> someone is doing something that is not excellent at Noisebridge.<br>
><br>
> I also heard of someone spilling a beer and leaving it, and rumour of<br>
> an incident in which a genius decided to pee off the fire escape<br>
> (which I'm still not convinced happened).<br>
> The spilt beer is sadly inevitable at events, and I see as less a<br>
> result of us having an open bar. I've seen bottles of beer people<br>
> brought themselves spilt over the floor at 83c, and while people are<br>
> then mostly responsible to clean it up themselves, it's sadly not<br>
> always done. I would encourage members to take the initiative to tell<br>
> someone who spills their drink to clean it up, and then to help them<br>
> do it (at the very least in assisting them get cleaning materials).<br>
> Accidents happen, and let's not stress over this too much.<br>
> With the fire escape, I sadly feared someone might do something<br>
> stupid, although I somehow predicted it would be something a bit<br>
> different than urinating off it (I envisioned worse -- someone<br>
> throwing a bottle or the like). I might suggest we side-step this<br>
> issue in the future by not allowing people to use the fire escape to<br>
> smoke -- it's going to be one of those things where one stupid asshole<br>
> ruins it for everyone else who is responsible.<br>
><br>
> I do not think the bar was really a bad influence, however. There has<br>
> always been a large amount of alcohol at 5mof events, and whether<br>
> people bring it or provide it, it will be a large influence. In<br>
> providing it, I think we significantly reduced the amount of bottles<br>
> that are often left floating around the space (to the point of almost<br>
> eliminating them), and we didn't even seem to fill up our recycling<br>
> bin. We had no incidents of broken glass during the event either.<br>
><br>
> The down sides that the bar introduced was that there were likely some<br>
> people who drank more than they may have otherwise. There was also an<br>
> increased liability for those who ran the bar (especially me, as I<br>
> purchased the keg).<br>
><br>
> Before attempting to run a bar at Noisebridge again, I would have more<br>
> organisation involved and look into ways to help reduce the chances of<br>
> problems and increase the chances of donations. I in fact have a<br>
> number of realistic ideas on this that should also hope to allay the<br>
> complaints some had of having an open bar (especially if we can find a<br>
> way to enforce something like a 3 drink maximum and have a closing<br>
> time for the bar).<br>
> If people think it's a good idea to try and repeat this, let me<br>
> know... with some help, I think we can do it right.<br>
><br>
> Jeffrey<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 12:50 AM, Rubin Abdi <<a href="mailto:rubin@starset.net">rubin@starset.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>> Christie Dudley wrote, On 2009/09/18 22:52:<br>
>>><br>
>>> I am curious how much we made on the "donation only" open bar we had<br>
>>> the<br>
>>> other night.<br>
>><br>
>> Poke Jeffrey as I gave him all the big bills before I left for the<br>
>> night.<br>
>><br>
>> Last count we made enough to pay for all the booze we bought that<br>
>> night,<br>
>> two ice runs, and some snacks with extra left over.<br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> Rubin Abdi<br>
>> <a href="mailto:rubin@starset.net">rubin@starset.net</a><br>
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