$80/month for maid service is CHEAP.� I could see us working with several members to have a cleaning rotation set up.� (Gina charged us more than that to clean 83c.)� I think this plan addresses the legal issues with the membership for work suggestion.� Why don't you put this on the agenda for the next meeting so we can make it so?<br>
<br>Christie<br clear="all">--- <br>Pigs can fly given sufficient thrust. <br> � � - RFC 1925<br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:42 AM, Glen Jarvis <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:glen@glenjarvis.com">glen@glenjarvis.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
I see two pieces that may fit well together:<br>
<br>
1) The need for a maid service,<br>
2) potential members who wish to contribute, but are financially not<br>
able<br>
<br>
These would fit well together *if* we can outline the exact maid<br>
duties needed on a nightly basis, and a measure of how those maid<br>
duties will be verified as successfully completed.<br>
<br>
Unlike the normal excellence we require and should continually<br>
encourage. The people doing the maid service is doing a real job ---<br>
the pay is not money, but membership dues. �And, as a reward for their<br>
work, they get *real* membership benefits, like, for example a shelf<br>
-- or whatever benefits members get that guests don't.<br>
<br>
Now, since this is s job, it can - and should be - revoked if<br>
performance isn't up to snuff. This is another reason for the two<br>
clearly defined and objective points above (what does the job entail<br>
and how are the points measured).<br>
<br>
For example, let's say Glen agrees to do maid service every Monday<br>
night o in exchange for real membership. Every Monday, after hardware<br>
hacking, he does the dishes, throws away all food, takes out the<br>
trash, cleaned the hardware table, and sweeps and mops the floor -- a<br>
fixed set of duties, no more, no less.<br>
<br>
If food is found on Friday morning, Glen isn't responsible -- �the<br>
Thursday night guy/gal is. However, if on Tuesday morning, old food is<br>
found, the floors are dirty, etc., Glen was clearly remiss in his<br>
duties and a note to the list like "Monday night maid service seemed<br>
lacking last night" could be posted. If this were a constant �pattern,<br>
maybe Glen could find another way of paying for membership (again the<br>
concept of a real job or real exchange of value is necessary).<br>
<br>
This way, this can scale out past the few very proactive souls that<br>
have been doing clean up because they have a strong vision for the<br>
place, but they are getting weary of doing extra work that is<br>
unappreciative, there is no value for, and for which there seems to be<br>
no end in sight.<br>
<br>
I, Glen Jarvis, would be interested in such an arrangement. But, only<br>
for Monday nights. And, I imagine you need maid service several times<br>
per week.<br>
<br>
Some of the tasks have already been outlined in the Wiki... So, I<br>
don't think this will be too hard to implement if there is<br>
interest... �Also, note, I still believe someone like Jim or Rubin<br>
should still br responsible for inspection and the occassional<br>
feedback that we would give our normal maid service.<br>
<br>
There may be other guests who would like to convert to membership, but<br>
need other ways to pay their dues.<br>
<br>
Glen<br>
<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
On Oct 15, 2009, at 8:40 PM, jim <<a href="mailto:jim@well.com">jim@well.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
><br>
><br>
> � i agree (though i'm not yet done).<br>
><br>
> � i hate seeing people coming in to do their<br>
> things without taking any action to make the<br>
> place better or defend against degradation,<br>
> as though mommy and daddy will pay the maid<br>
> service. an example is leaving drinks and<br>
> food all around.<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 19:20 -0700, Rubin Abdi wrote:<br>
>> Working at Noisebridge has been sort of like working through the<br>
>> year or<br>
>> so before moving out of my parents' house, except that after a few<br>
>> days<br>
>> the space lapses back over into a state of filth and and clutter.<br>
>> Most<br>
>> of our members don't actually take helping out with the space and<br>
>> keeping it clean seriously.<br>
>><br>
>> It's like with the help of many focused individuals we're able to<br>
>> take a<br>
>> few steps forward while it only takes a day of general use to take<br>
>> two<br>
>> steps back.<br>
>><br>
>> I find all this to be super depressing. Totally done helping with<br>
>> build<br>
>> out and any sort of facilities like role for the space. Please don't<br>
>> poke or bug me about helping to build or do anything in/with the<br>
>> space<br>
>> unless is involves the darkroom.<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks.<br>
>><br>
><br>
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