<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <html><head> <meta content="text/html; charset=utf-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head>Okay <br/><br/>Bill <p>Sent from my mobile. </p><hr/><div><b>From: </b> Shannon Lee <shannon@scatter.com>
</div><div><b>Date: </b>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 11:28:37 -0700</div><div><b>To: </b><bill@nostarch.com></div><div><b>Cc: </b>Al Billings<albill@openbuddha.com>; <Christoph.Maier@noisebridge.net>; <noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net></div><div><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] (no subject)</div><div><br/></div>Noone's talking about the space falling apart. We're talking about cleaning up soda cans and half-eaten burritos.<div><br></div><div>--S<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Bill Pollock <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bill@nostarch.com">bill@nostarch.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">We're not talking about cops. We're talking about members stepping up to make sure that the space doesn't fall apart.<br>
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Bill<br>
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From: Al Billings <<a href="mailto:albill@openbuddha.com">albill@openbuddha.com</a>><br>
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 11:21:36<br>
To: <<a href="mailto:bill@nostarch.com">bill@nostarch.com</a>><br>
Cc: <<a href="mailto:paul@boehm.org">paul@boehm.org</a>>; <<a href="mailto:Christoph.Maier@noisebridge.net">Christoph.Maier@noisebridge.net</a>>; <<a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] (no subject)<br>
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On Oct 18, 2009, at 10:38 AM, Bill Pollock wrote:<br>
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> Hi enki,<br>
><br>
> One thing that I liked about the camp Engels was that they didn't<br>
> come off as policing. They were there to help and to keep an eye on<br>
> things. And when everyone was trashed at least one of them was<br>
> sober. And when a problem arose they could be counted on to step in.<br>
<br>
Don't we call them "rangers" at Burning Man?<br>
<br>
> Certainly, these were time-limited, temporary roles, and the<br>
> parallel isn't a direct one. If NB were to consider such a thing I<br>
> imagine the roles might last only a few hours as in "I'll be at<br>
> space from 4 to 7 today and I'll wear the angel badge." in other<br>
> words, the role would rotate and could and should be adopted by<br>
> every member as part of one's contribution to the space. Maybe it<br>
> might be looked upon as a kind of designated driver.<br>
><br>
> Believe me, as anyone who knows me well will attest, I am no fan of<br>
> authority. However, I'm concerned that the problems that I'm reading<br>
> about could spiral out of hand and threaten the success of<br>
> Noisebridge.<br>
><br>
> When the space was small everyone saw everything. That's not the<br>
> case now though and it seems to me that something like a rotating,<br>
> super Noisebridge janitor might help.<br>
<br>
I really doubt that appointing cops for NB is going to make consensus.<br>
Who gets to choose them? What circumstances bring them about? What<br>
happens if I simply ignore them?<br>
<br>
Al<br>
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