I totally agree that there should be more discussion and that there should be more open-ness about our do-ocracy.<br><br>That said, we have a remarkable hair-trigger when it comes to flying off the handle over things we don't like. I don't blame anybody for not wanting to try to talk things out on noisebridge-discuss, it's a drama no-go zone at the moment and you never know what's going to set it off. Additionally, I think that there's something to be said for just doing things you want done; the People who Did This have done a lot of other stuff without consulting the list first, most of which were just taken to be Cool Stuff For The Benefit Of The Space. <br>
<br>I've got a case of been down here at 2169 for anybody who wants to come down here and talk about this in person.<br><br>--S<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Kelly <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hurtstotouchfire@gmail.com">hurtstotouchfire@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">There is a contingent of reasonable people who viewed this as a prank<br>
with no genuine risk involved. One of the primary couch-movers was<br>
qualified to assess the safety of the situation. Now that some<br>
explanations are coming out, I think it's clear that no harm was<br>
intended.<br>
<br>
It's really important not to put a damper on the spirit of do-ocracy.<br>
I think that the main issue is the secrecy. Please DO things! But<br>
doing things in secret because you know they will piss people off and<br>
thus avoiding discussion is not cool. And generally I would say that<br>
the first time is free. Oops! I walled off the DJ booth. Turns out<br>
everyone embraced the window entrance. But if it seems that the<br>
people do not want ceilings to be couched, we should consider verbal<br>
negotiation of ceiling furnishings.<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
-Kelly<br>
</font><div class="im"><br>
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Alex Perez <<a href="mailto:aperez@alexperez.com">aperez@alexperez.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
</div><div><div></div><div class="h5">> On Nov 13, 2009, at 5:10 PM, Kelly wrote:<br>
><br>
>> At this point I really don't know if it's a joke or what. There's<br>
>> been a lot of off-list discussion, and the main bullet points seem to<br>
>> be these:<br>
>><br>
>> - The couch movers assumed that a couch was what the ceiling was built for<br>
>> - None of the darkroom people were aware of this, including those<br>
>> working on the ceiling<br>
>> - People are concerned about the safety of having the couch up<br>
>> there--maybe we can see some load-bearing calculations?<br>
>> - Some people feel that there was nothing wrong with the couch movers<br>
>> behavior, and others feel really hurt by it. There doesn't seem to be<br>
>> a clear NB protocol for excellence on this matter.<br>
><br>
> The protocol shouldn't be for excellence, it should be against general<br>
> douchebaggery, and the douches who put the couch back up there should not<br>
> even attempt to defend their behavior. Have any of them actually tried to?<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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