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<style> BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }</style>Hey Jim, it looks like you intentionally took off the [drama] tag. I'm not saying you can't discuss this all you want on the list, I'm just saying I want my message filters to automatically turn it purple. Please use the tag on future replies to this thread, as it would seem to qualify. <br>
Thanks!<br>
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<span style="font-weight: bold;">On Sun 29/11/09 3:52 PM , jim jim@well.com sent:<br>
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...despite david's request (and gently put opinion)... <br>
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the use of the word "cabal" also strikes me as worth <br>
discussing. crutcher had used the word "oligarchy". <br>
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the corresponding term i use is "core". <br>
in my experience every group has a core of members <br>
that do most of the work, about 10 to 15 percent, <br>
depending on the current morale. <br>
there's another ten or twenty percent that will chip <br>
in to help from time to time. <br>
there's something like 40 or 50 percent that rarely <br>
or never help out. <br>
note i'm reporting on experiences i've had in the <br>
past, which seem to me at least somewhat a match to this <br>
community. <br>
the point: both "cabal" and "oligarchy" include some <br>
meaning of authority or clandestine or establishment or <br>
some such. i think those meanings do not help us to <br>
understand our community properly and i suggest we <br>
consider deprecating using them and try to use words <br>
that don't have a pejorative tone. just for the sake of <br>
accurate understanding. <br>
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On Sun, 2009-11-29 at 14:52 -0800, Rich Gibson wrote:<br>
<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">> Just a note: Ani made strongly negative statements accusing Monkey</span><br>
<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">> Brains of being 'unexcellent,' and of breaking contracts.</span><br>
<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">> </span><br>
<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">> She was apparently asked 'special nice' by the secret cabal which</span><br>
<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">> apparently runs NB, so she agreed not to actually provide any</span><br>
<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">> evidence, or facts, or names. Just innuendo.</span><br>
<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">> </span><br>
<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">> But trust the keepers of secrets that the people who want lots of</span><br>
<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">> bandwidth and spent their personal money to get that bandwidth today</span><br>
<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">> are intrinsically being unexcellent.</span><br>
<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">> </span><br>
<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">> But we can't tell you why.</span><br>
<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">> </span><br>
<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">> What am I missing here?</span><br>
<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">> </span><br>
<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">> I assert that making a claim that someone is not being excellent based</span><br>
<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">> only on hidden star </span><br>
<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">> chamber evidence is Bad.</span><br>
<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">> </span><br>
<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">> </span><br>
<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">> </span><br>
<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">> On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Sai Emrys <<a href="mailto:noisebridge@saizai.com">noisebridge@saizai.com</a>></span><br>
<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">> wrote:</span><br>
<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">> On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 1:38 AM, Meredith L. Patterson</span><br>
<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">> <<a href="mailto:mlp@thesmartpolitenerd.com">mlp@thesmartpolitenerd.com</a>> wrote:</span><br>
<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">> > This list is archived?</span><br>
<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">> > _______________________________________________</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">> ></span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">> </span><br>
<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">> </span><br>
<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">> Yes. See the footer.</span><br>
<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">> </span><br>
<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">> Just a note, not opinion either way: Ani objects to some</span><br>
<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">> possible</span><br>
<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">> shenanigans by MonkeyBrains. Josh (et al?) claim that</span><br>
<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">> sometimes</span><br>
<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">> shenanigans by us are necessary. I find this interesting.</span><br>
<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">> </span><br>
<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">> - Sai</span><br>
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