<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div>On Feb 24, 2010, at 12:43 PM, Rubin Abdi wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; ">I'd like to restate something again, myself and a number of other people<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>are completely against any efforts to do harm to the rats (i.e. poison,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>or traps intended to injure or kill them).<br></span></blockquote></div><br><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 17px; ">Listen, and understand. Those rats are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And they absolutely will not stop – ever – until you are dead. <br></span><div></div></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; line-height: 17px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; line-height: 17px;">That said, we had mice at my apartment, and managed to clear them out through:</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; line-height: 17px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; line-height: 17px;">1. Cleaner living</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; line-height: 17px;">2. A humane trap + accidentally catching one in a bucket</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; line-height: 17px;">3. Plugging / blocking holes in the walls, floor, moulding, etc.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; line-height: 17px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; line-height: 17px;">Those traps don't have a great reputation, but ours worked great once we figured out the right place to put it. Do note that, at least with our mice, it was not at all obvious when we'd caught a critter (they were hard to spot through the translucent plastic, and if they hear people nearby they just get quiet). We only noticed our first catch when the neighborhood cat wandered in and started sniffing around the trap. </span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; line-height: 17px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; line-height: 17px;">Our mice are now earning a more honest living taking tourists' photos in Alamo Square. It may end up being too small for rats, but I can drop off our mouse trap.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; line-height: 17px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; line-height: 17px;">-Sean</span></font></div></body></html>