What about the other candidates?<div><br></div><div>Who has thoughts on Mikolaj?</div><div><br></div><div>Who has thoughts on Lief?</div><div><br></div><div>Why aren't we talking about anyone but Mitch?</div><div><br></div>
<div>Christie<br clear="all">_______<br>"We also briefly discussed having officers replaced by very small shell scripts." -- Noisebridge meeting notes 2008-06-17<br><br>The outer bounds is only the beginning. <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/genriel/sets/72157623376093724/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/genriel/sets/72157623376093724/</a><br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Rachel McConnell <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rachel@xtreme.com">rachel@xtreme.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Christie, here are some thoughts I had regarding your position on Mitch<br>
as ED.<br>
<br>
I understand why you would object to an 'absentee' ED. I posit to you<br>
that there are significant benefits as well. Noisebridge has an<br>
extraordinarily rich interaction with other hackerspaces (and generally<br>
cool people) *worldwide*, due primarily to our roving ambassadors, Jake<br>
and Mitch. We've got relationships with hackers not only in Chicago,<br>
Toronto, Atlanta, etc in North America, but also in Germany and Japan,<br>
and probably others I'm not yet aware of.<br>
<br>
Have you asked Mitch if his schedule will continue to be that he's gone<br>
a great deal of the time? It may be that he'll be around more in 2010,<br>
which would allow him to keep more abreast of the activities of the<br>
organization.<br>
<br>
To address your issue further: regarding keeping abreast of the ongoing<br>
needs of the organization, we've been pretty clear that this is not<br>
actually the business of the ED, but of the members. The ED is *not*<br>
our leader. I believe you might respond to this that the ED is<br>
perceived as such by outsiders, and I would respond to that with, how<br>
does that cause a problem for us?<br>
<br>
Rachel<br>
<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
Christie Dudley wrote:<br>
> My issues with Mitch are fairly minor. I think he's a great person, but<br>
> he's not terribly involved in the immediate Noisebridge community. He's<br>
> just not around much and doesn't keep abreast of the breadth of totally<br>
> excellent things going on at Noisebridge, or the ongoing needs of the<br>
> organization.<br>
><br>
> In addition to the 'representational' part that Vlad brought up (can he<br>
> represent us well if he doesn't know us well?) It is the ED's job to<br>
> call the board meetings, set the agenda and preside. I think Rachel has<br>
> been doing a fine job of this so far, but it's not her job. (Legally,<br>
> according to the bylaws) I'd really like to see an ED who can do the<br>
> job, who understands when board meetings are needed and will make that<br>
> happen.<br>
><br>
> I think Mitch could do a fair job of muddling through if there were no<br>
> other candidates. But there are other candidates who are much more<br>
> capable of doing a good job with what little is required of them. It<br>
> appalls me that we have to have the choice of the board as our only<br>
> option, especially when it's not the best one.<br>
><br>
> I don't understand why this discussion keeps coming back to Mitch/Not<br>
> Mitch. I thought it was the will of the members to decide who. Why are<br>
> we not comparing Mitch/Mikolaj/whoever? This false dichotomy is killing<br>
> serious consideration of the candidates.<br>
><br>
> We already decided at the meeting this coming week that we would *not*<br>
> try to form a consensus on the candidates for ED, but rather narrow it<br>
> down to one to consense on next week. WHY do we keep coming back to<br>
> this whole false dichotomy?<br>
><br>
> Christie<br>
> _______<br>
> "We also briefly discussed having officers replaced by very small shell<br>
> scripts." -- Noisebridge meeting notes 2008-06-17<br>
><br>
> The outer bounds is only the beginning.<br>
> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/genriel/sets/72157623376093724/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/genriel/sets/72157623376093724/</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Ani Niow <<a href="mailto:v@oneletterwonder.com">v@oneletterwonder.com</a><br>
</div></div><div class="im">> <mailto:<a href="mailto:v@oneletterwonder.com">v@oneletterwonder.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> I would like to formally re-nominate Mitch for the position of the<br>
> Executive Director of Noisebridge.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> -Ani<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 1:00 AM, Jeffrey Malone<br>
</div><div class="im">> <<a href="mailto:ieatlint@tehinterweb.com">ieatlint@tehinterweb.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:ieatlint@tehinterweb.com">ieatlint@tehinterweb.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Sai Emrys<br>
</div><div class="im">> <<a href="mailto:noisebridge@saizai.com">noisebridge@saizai.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:noisebridge@saizai.com">noisebridge@saizai.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
> > On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Andy Isaacson<br>
</div><div><div></div><div class="h5">> <<a href="mailto:adi@hexapodia.org">adi@hexapodia.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:adi@hexapodia.org">adi@hexapodia.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
> >> We currently have all of these things. AFAIK, until the<br>
> board appoints<br>
> >> a new ED, Jake continues in his appointment from last year.<br>
> ><br>
> > That's my reading as well. Officers serve until replaced; Board<br>
> > members have terms of office.<br>
> ><br>
><br>
> Actually, you have that kind of backwards.<br>
> Both have terms -- 1 year. Board members remain in office until<br>
> they<br>
> are replaced.<br>
> There is no such clause for officers. Our bylaws state that<br>
> they must<br>
> be appointed annually, and as the year ran up at the beginning of<br>
> October, so did the term for all three officer positions.<br>
><br>
> Noisebridge has been without an ED since October. This has been<br>
> stated at a board meeting and a general meeting.<br>
> In fact, two board members even tried to simply appoint an ED at the<br>
> last board meeting to "fix" this. They even planned to do so<br>
> without<br>
> consulting the members before conceding to objections that while the<br>
> legal authority exists for them to do that, it runs completely<br>
> against<br>
> Noisebridge policy.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> In general, I would like to thank all of you for turning this into a<br>
> discussion about what people feel the ED is, and absolutely<br>
> nothing to<br>
> do with actually selecting a new one.<br>
> You might argue that you feel defining the role is the same thing.<br>
> It's not -- who it is, and what they will be doing are two different<br>
> controversial subjects. Intertwining them has, as best I can tell,<br>
> resulted in absolutely no progress on either side.<br>
><br>
> So any chance this can get back on topic to its original intent of<br>
> nominating people for the ED? Or should I simply give up?<br>
><br>
> Jeffrey<br>
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