<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Jake brings up valid points. <div><br></div><div>For instance, when I found a few interesting issues and unexpected behavior with 4square, I immediately thought of going to #noisebridge to collaborate and corroborate but didn't because no one on #noisebridge is interested, in hacking (not the media nor US Fed. legal definition) software, services, and the sort. I went to another channel to extend the hack's functionality and to let 4square know of their issues.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>John</div><div><a href="http://securesql.info">http://securesql.info</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Mar 25, 2010, at 11:03 AM, alexhandy wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hello. I thought this was a quite un-excellent exchange, and in the interest of bringing it to light, I thought I'd forward it to the list.<br><div><br><div>Begin forwarded message:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1);"><b>From: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">Jacob Appelbaum <<a href="mailto:jacob@appelbaum.net">jacob@appelbaum.net</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1);"><b>Date: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">March 25, 2010 12:20:24 AM PDT<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1);"><b>To: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">alexhandy <<a href="mailto:alexhandy@gmail.com">alexhandy@gmail.com</a>>, Leif <<a href="mailto:leif@synthesize.us">leif@synthesize.us</a>>, Rubin Abdi <<a href="mailto:rubin@starset.net">rubin@starset.net</a>>, Andy Isaacson <<a href="mailto:adi@hexapodia.org">adi@hexapodia.org</a>>, Martin Bogomolni <<a href="mailto:martinbogo@gmail.com">martinbogo@gmail.com</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1);"><b>Subject: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;"><b>Re: Noisebridge IRC trolls are back</b><br></span></div><br><div>alexhandy wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">Hey Jake, when you get a chance, can you login to Freenode and<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">authorize some of the other members as controllers for #noisebridge?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The trolls got hold of the whole channel again, when a communist ops<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">uprising occurred.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">If you give leif authorization, that would be awesome, and we'd never<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">have to bother you when this happens.<br></blockquote><br>I've cleared the channel and given founder status to Andy.<br><br>Rubin and Leif do not use IRC securely. It is not safe to give them<br>channel founder status because of this fact. When both of them have a<br>secure channel of communication, not from an easy to own box, that they<br>identify to the ChanServ, I'm sure someone will give them +F. I suggest<br>that no one has ops anymore, I'd also suggest that when people are<br>banned, people are simply banned by the channel services rather than<br>individuals. Anything else simply attracts more attention to the people<br>that are actually helpful.<br><br>In any case, please don't ever contact me about IRC again. I find it<br>utterly a waste of my time and I've been called a faggot for the last<br>time by these people in my own space. This community has entirely failed<br>to police itself and is largely full of losers that simply do not care<br>to live a life worth emulating. I am disappointed and have grown tired<br>of getting calls in the middle of the night, during films, or during<br>other points of my otherwise happy life. The problem is systemic and<br>unrelated to who does or does not have founding or operator status.<br><br>Please do not write me back about this or anything else in the next few<br>days. I have pressing issues in my life. I don't have time to deal with<br>people who talk about dicks on IRC as part of their wasted lives. This<br>channel takeover was only possible because the people in the channel are<br>part of the problem. This probably means you unless you actually hack<br>stuff and then discuss it in #noisebridge. That's what the channel was<br>started for and that's certainly not what people spend their time<br>talking about when I checked last. I hope but have little to no faith<br>that things will turn around. Good luck creating something that works<br>for all of you.<br><br>Have a nice life,<br>Jake<br><br>P.S. I really very firmly mean that I am uninterested in emails, calls,<br>or text messages on this topic. Please don't contact me about this again.<br></div></blockquote></div><br></div>_______________________________________________<br>Noisebridge-discuss mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a><br>https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss<br></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>