I disagree that we need a lot of people with +F privs. It's very rare for a totally sustained/sustainable IRC channel to have more than one. So long as they're a reasonable and responsible person, it's really better that way. <div>
<br></div><div>Having registered channel ops is a different issue. This is what we've seriously lacked. With proper chanops, we can tell chanserv to give the moron who's causing trouble the boot and ban them without even being in the channel. No one needs to be *given* this status, so it's not something anyone who's spoofed someone even needs to ask for.<div>
<br></div><div>It sounds like you don't really understand the difference between granted ops and chanserv ops in your argument. There are great resources out there that explain the commands at your disposal with chanserv. None of them need to be executed while you're even in the channel, either. But you DO need to authenticate to get them.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Christie<br clear="all">_______<br>"We also briefly discussed having officers replaced by very small shell scripts." -- Noisebridge meeting notes 2008-06-17<br><br>The outer bounds is only the beginning. <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/genriel/sets/72157623376093724/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/genriel/sets/72157623376093724/</a><br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Ani Niow <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:v@oneletterwonder.com">v@oneletterwonder.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Here's what I would like to see happen:<br>
<br>
1) We absolutely need more people with +F privileges, not simply<br>
chanops. One +F has been proven to not be sustainable and I doubt two<br>
(the current situation) will also not be, especially as one of them<br>
has shrugged off IRC forevah and the other hardly visits the channel.<br>
<br>
2) These people need to be fairly active in IRC and know the community<br>
well. Having only one person with +F that mostly shows up to fix<br>
trolling problems problems is an unnecessary burden on that individual<br>
and could easily be remedied by giving other active participants the<br>
same level of access.<br>
<br>
3) No ops. Absolutely none. When I join #noisebridge I don't want to<br>
see a division between ops (who are usually regulars and irl members)<br>
and the rest of the channel. Just like Noisebridge is set up as a<br>
non-hierarchical system our IRC channel should also reflect this. The<br>
only reason we even need founders is because those are needed in order<br>
to properly manage an IRC channel. Kind of like how we only have a<br>
board of directors to satisfy the requirements of 501(c)3 status.<br>
Founders should use their power wisely and only if they are needed.<br>
<br>
4) We should send a formal request to Freenode for group registration.<br>
I know this will likely take months but it's a good idea anyway to<br>
have an official presence.<br>
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-Ani<br>
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