I disagree that we need a lot of people with +F privs. �It's very rare for a totally sustained/sustainable IRC channel to have more than one. �So long as they're a reasonable and responsible person, it's really better that way.�<div>
<br></div><div>Having registered channel ops is a different issue. �This is what we've seriously lacked. �With proper chanops, we can tell chanserv to give the moron who's causing trouble the boot and ban them without even being in the channel. �No one needs to be *given* this status, so it's not something anyone who's spoofed someone even needs to ask for.<div>
<br></div><div>It sounds like you don't really understand the difference between granted ops and chanserv ops in your argument. �There are great resources out there that explain the commands at your disposal with chanserv. �None of them need to be executed while you're even in the channel, either. �But you DO need to authenticate to get them.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Christie<br clear="all">_______<br>"We also briefly discussed having officers replaced by very small shell scripts." -- Noisebridge meeting notes 2008-06-17<br><br>The outer bounds is only the beginning. <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/genriel/sets/72157623376093724/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/genriel/sets/72157623376093724/</a><br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Ani Niow <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:v@oneletterwonder.com">v@oneletterwonder.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Here's what I would like to see happen:<br>
<br>
1) We absolutely need more people with +F privileges, not simply<br>
chanops. One +F has been proven to not be sustainable and I doubt two<br>
(the current situation) will also not be, especially as one of them<br>
has shrugged off IRC forevah and the other hardly visits the channel.<br>
<br>
2) These people need to be fairly active in IRC and know the community<br>
well. Having only one person with +F that mostly shows up to fix<br>
trolling problems problems is an unnecessary burden on that individual<br>
and could easily be remedied by giving other active participants the<br>
same level of access.<br>
<br>
3) No ops. Absolutely none. When I join #noisebridge I don't want to<br>
see a division between ops (who are usually regulars and irl members)<br>
and the rest of the channel. Just like Noisebridge is set up as a<br>
non-hierarchical system our IRC channel should also reflect this. The<br>
only reason we even need founders is because those are needed in order<br>
to properly manage an IRC channel. Kind of like how we only have a<br>
board of directors to satisfy the requirements of 501(c)3 status.<br>
Founders should use their power wisely and only if they are needed.<br>
<br>
4) We should send a formal request to Freenode for group registration.<br>
I know this will likely take months but it's a good idea anyway to<br>
have an official presence.<br>
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-Ani<br>
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