Sorry if I sound accusatory. People said they wanted to know exactly what I experienced and I replied in kind with nearly every relevant detail I could recall. In fact I've repeatedly been a "good sport" and said I thought it was funny, while I could have been pissed, and certainly was for the first few hours after discovering it. <br>
<br>I personally didn't go near the soldering stations that night, so if someone figured out how to get that heat gun across the room and pull that off, good job, but wouldn't that had melted the area, preventing fray? I did goto the Cancun place down the road for a burrito, has anyone ever got their ass burned there? I went straight home after that, I n<br>
normally change as soon as I get home, and didn't see what happened till the next day...<br><br>My guess was it was just barely enough to heat to cut the thing, overtime, using very intensely focused beam, but i could be wrong. I don't know lots about lasers either, but it was the most logical conclusion in MY mind. Hell for all i knew, all n00bs got a new ass hole burnt in them. <br>
<br>If it indeed was a laser, I believe the person may not be stepping up, fearing perhaps liability for what was potentially a very dangerous stunt. <br><br>Well, I haven't worn the pants since I posted the picture. Shouldn't a
few tests and a microscope be able to tell? I was thinking of taking a trip to the meeting tonight so if anyone who wants to look at them is going to be their, let me know and I'll be sure to bring them...<br>
<br>-John<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Christie Dudley <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:longobord@gmail.com">longobord@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div>This incident/response is a great opportunity to consider personal responsibility. It's always easier to find ways to put the burden of responsibility for your problems on others, but it's exactly that sort of mentality that kills shared spaces like we have. While this is a really clear-cut example, there are many things that happen with the space where things are blurrier. People stepping up and setting aside all the accusations and posturing is the main thing that'll keep us alive.</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>In this instance, the rationale "I didn't feel heat" motivated the speaker to engage in a complicated explanation of how someone else was responsible for their problem. Although he probably didn't realize how fantastical the rationalized explanation was technically, certainly imagining he, and only he, saw people ducking in and out of the dirty shop had to take some degree of credulousness, particularly with as crowded an event as it was.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Of course, a less credulous explanation would be that it takes time for the heat sensation to permeate the thermal insulator of the cotton jeans, and if what was leaned against was hot enough (say the rework station that Lamont described that can get up to 800 deg) then it could burn right through even before they felt anything. Why lasers would produce no "hot" sensation when they were slowly burning through the jeans would be beyond me, although it certainly would be very localized.</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Besides, if the Noisebridge pranksters were going to do anything, it's much more fun to do silly stuff to people we know and are in a position to retaliate in kind. Otherwise it's just not funny. Wanton destruction is never funny either.</div>
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<div><br></div>Christie<br clear="all">_______<br>"Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence." -- Albert Einstein<br>
<br><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div class="h5">On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 4:57 PM, John Morgan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dr1ce315@gmail.com" target="_blank">dr1ce315@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Sorry if you got this message twice, i reply wrong the first time i guess, since it was showing up as quoted text in gmail, and therefore not displaying it.<br><br>----<div><div></div><div><br><br>OK, I've thought about this whole thing a lot...<br>
<br>I could be
wrong, but I can't figure out how someone would have been able to use
extreme heat (soldering iron, or hot air) without my feeling it; I'm
quite intolerant of pain, and slightly paranoid when I'm in the city
(I'm from rural upstate NY originally, and currently live in a
back-woods area of sonoma county). It really sucks I didn't take a
picture immediately because all the lines were soo perfectly smooth when
I first saw it. The corners were ever so slightly rounded, it was
obviously made using a Reuleaux triangle. There didn't appear to be a
fray at all. My first thought when I saw it was that I must have leaned
up next to something hot, but there's no way I wouldn't have felt it,
then I saw the slightly rounded edges, coupled with the burn marks, i
can't see it being anything other than a laser. You can still see one
of the rounded edges pretty well on the back in some of the pictures I
posted... Sorry they weren't better, my good camera is MIA. Also,
notice on my boxers, the holes go through the darkest portions of the
material and not the green stripes...Here's all the relevant details
that I can remember:<br>
<br>I had about 3 big Lagunitas IPAs, But i'm a big guy, and drank that
over a long period, I was far from drunk. I remember turning behind me
one time to see someone kneeling near the floor with what I believe was
some kind of prizm. It was glowing blueish; as soon as they saw I was
turned around (and I mean, quick) they took off into the tool room. I
guess I should have been more suspicious, but I certainly didn't except
someone to be burning my ass with a laser. It seems I recall seeing a
prizm sitting (taped?) near/to the window coming from the tool room,
with a blueish light also coming though it. I was sitting near the
trash bin/recycling bin, fairly close to the main entrance / tool room
door...<br>
<br>I was the perfect mark for many reasons, I think.. First, I was
seated in one of those folding metal chairs, so i wasn't moving at all.
I'm a big guy, i could be less likely to feel it due to extra padding,
half buzzed on ripper beer. I may have been using my laptop at the
time, lessening the chance I was going to get up or move suddenly. My
jean are also dark in color, excellent for using a laser on. I was one
of the closest people seated next to the tool room door and here's a
very interesting detail... There seemed to be lots of people stand
behind me at one point (presumably watching 5mof, near the beginning)
and then suddenly nearly everyone had moved to a different spot. (I
even remember thinking to myself... damn, i took a shower today, i can't
stink that bad)<br>
<br>Also, I remember over-hearing someone say, "I wanna see the co2
laser!" <br><br>I know people saw this go down.. There was a girl and
guy sitting in a chair almost right behind me (although they
mysteriously moved further away too, by the end of 5mof) <br>
<br>Fess up people, even if you didn't do it, tell us what you saw go
down. I wanna see a 5mof on how it was done next week! I'll bring in
my pants and you can gloat ;-)<br><br>dr1ce<br><br></div></div><div><div></div><div><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Lamont Lucas <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lamont@cluepon.com" target="_blank">lamont@cluepon.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div>John Morgan wrote:<br>
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Here's your trophy pictures...<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S423i5-DJDk" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S423i5-DJDk</a><br>
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/25605356@N08/sets/72157624190001205/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/25605356@N08/sets/72157624190001205/</a><br>
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I note that the square hole is about the size of a QFP airflow nozzle for the Aoyue surface mount hot air reflow station that's in the electronics section. Any chance you leaned against one of those benches?<br>
<br>
I mean, not that someone cutting your pants with a laser from a distance isn't an awesome story, but I wonder if you're hearing hoofbeats and thinking laser zebras. </blockquote></div><br>
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