Ok, I understand your intention, but I completely disagree. Nobody should *ever* be banned from the space. In the past, when someone has done something people consider unethical, they've been asked to stay away for a bit while things settle down. Banning someone is counterproductive and leads to all kinds of problems. Plus, think about it: if someone is already known for breaking into a venue and stealing things, do you really want to make them upset at you?<div>
<br></div><div>On the other hand, perhaps they have a certain ethic or philosophy regarding this, and someone having a one-on-one discussion with them might be a great way not only to learn more about why they do this, but also to possibly teach them why we think it is or isn't excellent. I think it's far more excellent to teach someone good things, than to ban them for what we presume is a bad thing.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Ryan Castellucci <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ryan.castellucci@gmail.com">ryan.castellucci@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Yeah... whoever this thief is should be banned from the space. �It<br>
sounds to me like they're the sort of person who *will* get caught<br>
(telling other people about your crimes? really?), and when that<br>
happens we need to have nothing to do with such unexcellent behavior.<br>
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On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Jonathan Foote <<a href="mailto:jtfoote@ieee.org">jtfoote@ieee.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> Frantisek,<br>
><br>
> thanks for bringing this up. Risky or not, it's unethical and I for<br>
> one will have nothing to do with it.<br>
><br>
> Plus, as long as the term �"hacker" continues to be misunderstood in<br>
> media and popular culture, it behooves us as an organization to be<br>
> scrupulously and flamboyantly ethical. As Mr. Zimmerman once sang, "to<br>
> live outside the law you must be honest."<br>
><br>
> On Wednesday, July 14, 2010, Frantisek Apfelbeck <<a href="mailto:algoldor@yahoo.com">algoldor@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> HI to All!<br>
>> At the end of the notes from todays member meeting I've found kind of PS to be<br>
>> discussed, however this subject was not on the meeting by it self. Me Algoldor =<br>
>> Frantisek Apfelbeck. I'm the person who after several days of thinking decided<br>
>> to talk to the person who brings to Noisebridge stolen groceries, to process it,<br>
>> turn it in to the �tasty product and give it to the people in need. I think the<br>
>> goal is noble but I do not think that obtain the resources by stealing is good<br>
>> thing to do no matter from what resources is the food coming. I've suggested to<br>
>> the person in question to further explore the ways how to meet the these goals<br>
>> but in a more positive, constructive way. As for me, I do not want to cook and<br>
>> eat food, which was obtained without agreement of �the counterpart. I'm trying<br>
>> to buy local, organic and fair trade if I can. I do not think that steeling is<br>
>> "excellent".<br>
>><br>
>> Well that should be it from me, I would like to know what the other people think<br>
>> about that.<br>
>><br>
>> Sincerely,<br>
>><br>
>> Frantisek<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
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