<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgb(127, 127, 127); "><b>Actually, Jake, we're using proxy voting for voting at Ace Monster Toys and we are specifically a non-proft organization and democratic. So that kind of contradicts what you're saying here. It's a standard system for non-profits as well as for-profits.</b></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgb(127, 127, 127); "><b><br></b></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgb(127, 127, 127); "><b>Al</b></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgb(127, 127, 127); "><b><br></b></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgb(127, 127, 127); "><b>From: </b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">Jacob Appelbaum <<a href="mailto:jacob@appelbaum.net">jacob@appelbaum.net</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgb(127, 127, 127); "><b>Date: </b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">September 10, 2010 10:51:20 AM PDT<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgb(127, 127, 127); "><b>To: </b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">Sai Emrys <<a href="mailto:noisebridge@saizai.com">noisebridge@saizai.com</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgb(127, 127, 127); "><b>Cc: </b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "><a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgb(127, 127, 127); "><b>Subject: </b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "><b>Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Voting experiment.</b><br></span></div><br><br>On 09/09/2010 07:23 PM, Sai Emrys wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Jacob Appelbaum <<a href="mailto:jacob@appelbaum.net">jacob@appelbaum.net</a>> wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">It's rare in a voting system to give out extra ballots to people who say<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">they're representing some other people who aren't at the polling place.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">... except in corporations, where proxy voting at meetings is<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">standard. And there are plenty of ways to relatively well authenticate<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">the proxy claim.<br></blockquote><br>Yep. In profit oriented, privacy unfriendly, non-equal, non-democratic<br>systems - nearly everything is possible. Especially when you want to<br>have a majority overrule a minority and force them into doing something,<br>rather than failing to achieve cohesive and unified action.<br><br>I know - lets design a new evoting machine. Perhaps we'll be the ones to<br>make it un-hackable! We can ask India, they seem to have no problems<br>with their system at the moment. :-)<br><br>All the best,<br>Jake<br></body></html>