We should do it the hacker way.� Electrify the couches!� That would teach those bedbugs what for.� And the campers.<br><br>Either way, I'd love to help, but I don't see much free time popping up in the next couple of weeks.� Maybe a Saturday morning or early afternoon down the road (but not this weekend).<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Mark G Sobell <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marksobell@gmail.com">marksobell@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
I will help.<br>
<br>
I would prefer to spend an evening getting rid of bedbugs at NB (or<br>
making sure they are not there) than spend days getting rid of them in<br>
my house.<br>
<br>
The EPA provides information about chemicals you can use to kill<br>
bedbugs here: <a href="http://cfpub.epa.gov/oppref/bedbug/" target="_blank">http://cfpub.epa.gov/oppref/bedbug/</a>.<br>
<br>
We need to come up with a plan of action including which furniture we<br>
will attack, which chemical we will use, and the time we will do it.<br>
If it is a powder I would like to have a mask on hand so I do not breath it in.<br>
<br>
We should also probably apply this procedure regularly. I do not know how often.<br>
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Anything else?<br>
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On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Christie Dudley <<a href="mailto:longobord@gmail.com">longobord@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Heh. �On the issue of project management and bedbugs... �I find it supremely<br>
> ironic that there's been a call put out for eradication, I've offered a<br>
> solution contingent on help... and all I got was crickets. �(Oh, and<br>
> individuals requesting to borrow my steamer for their own stuff.)<br>
> Bedbugs are a very real problem in SF. �The biggest issue is that public<br>
> health officials believe this to be a resistant strain, meaning that all the<br>
> DDT in the world won't help us. �It takes actual effort. �We could get any<br>
> potential bedbugs eradicated from the couches in an evening... if anyone was<br>
> willing to actually bother to do it.<br>
> So much talk...<br>
> Christie<br>
> _______<br>
> But wait... there's no FCC on the moon!<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Zedd Epstein <<a href="mailto:zedd.00@gmail.com">zedd.00@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> I've always been of the opinion that sleeping is at the very bottom of the<br>
>> "stuff to do at noisebridge" list. Therefore, if you're sleeping at the<br>
>> space it would be most bogus to tell someone to quiet down, because whatever<br>
>> they're doing is a better use of the space than you sleeping there.<br>
>><br>
>> Zedd<br>
>><br>
>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Albert Sweigart <<a href="mailto:asweigart@gmail.com">asweigart@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Yes. I mostly want to prevent the space from being abused, more than<br>
>>> being against sleeping/crashing at NB. It's just that I wouldn't want<br>
>>> NB to be used as a living space or a hotel, and it's easy enough for<br>
>>> someone to say, "I'm not living here, I'm just going to be sleeping<br>
>>> here for the next few nights until I move on somewhere else." or "This<br>
>>> guy is just going to stay overnight a couple times while he's in<br>
>>> town."<br>
>>><br>
>>> Also, it would be nice for us to hash out (at least informally on the<br>
>>> mailing list) some boundaries. I'm all for not dealing with things<br>
>>> until they become actual problems, but in this particular issue has<br>
>>> come up before. I've personally seen an instance late at night where<br>
>>> people in the space were told to try to keep it quiet by someone who<br>
>>> wanted to go back to sleep. Sure, people will try to keep it<br>
>>> reasonably quiet ("reasonable" being subjective) and those sleeping<br>
>>> can wear ear plugs (if we have them), but when push comes to shove,<br>
>>> who is more in the right?<br>
>>><br>
>>> So, where do we stand on the noise level vs. people sleeping? I'd say<br>
>>> that people can't have any expectation of quietness from power tools,<br>
>>> general chatter, and classroom lectures. I'd be more inclined towards<br>
>>> quiet vs. playing music.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Where do other people stand on this?<br>
>>><br>
>>> -Al<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Rachel McConnell <<a href="mailto:rachel@xtreme.com">rachel@xtreme.com</a>><br>
>>> wrote:<br>
>>> > I dunno, I think it's only a problem when it's a problem, if you see<br>
>>> > what I mean. �Obviously we can't have people actually living there;<br>
>>> > that<br>
>>> > is impractical and against our lease and against the zoning regulations<br>
>>> > (or some other regulation; I'm thinking of the one about how you aren't<br>
>>> > allowed to live at the office unless it's specifically live-work space,<br>
>>> > which NB is not). �Also it's not like there are beds or shower<br>
>>> > facilities. �If I need to nap, I can nap; if someone else needs to use<br>
>>> > the lathe at the time, well then that's just my bad luck.<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > Also, if they're not bothering anyone who's trying to work, or<br>
>>> > destroying useful stuff, why should anyone have a problem with people<br>
>>> > staying up late drinking and playing games?<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > Pretty much everything we do is on a case-by-case basis and it lets us<br>
>>> > not have Rules, which then we'd have to enforce, even if it didn't make<br>
>>> > sense to do so. �I'm all for case-by-case bases.<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > Rachel<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > Albert Sweigart wrote:<br>
>>> >> So, to put out the obvious question: When does just zonking out at<br>
>>> >> Noisebridge get to the point where it becomes a problem? I'd think<br>
>>> >> that if you go to Noisebridge planning to work late and not catch the<br>
>>> >> last BART more frequently than once or twice a month, that isn't<br>
>>> >> acceptable. Though I wouldn't see a problem with people staying up all<br>
>>> >> night working on a project (as opposed to staying up all night playing<br>
>>> >> games and/or drinking).<br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >> For fairness, we could come up with some rules and limits for how many<br>
>>> >> times someone crashes at Noisebridge. But nobody is going to be around<br>
>>> >> often enough to enforce them. If we do it on a case by case basis,<br>
>>> >> then people might cry out about inequitable treatment ("but so-and-so<br>
>>> >> has slept here more often than me and nobody is saying anything...").<br>
>>> >> Though the latter is probably the most reasonable.<br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >> What are other people's ideas of where the line is? I think sleeping<br>
>>> >> at NB more than once or twice a month, or coming to NB planning to<br>
>>> >> sleep there is too much. Especially if it would be every month.<br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >> -Al<br>
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