One of the main reason I don't even come by Noisebridge any more is because I'm so paranoid of bringing fleas or bed bugs home. I used to (and for the most part, still do) avoid sitting on anything that isn't plastic when I'm in the space. :(<br>
<br><div>Generous doses of DDT for everything and everyone! Give me access to some and I'll gladly spray everything down!</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Ever Falling <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:everfalling@gmail.com">everfalling@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">ha ha ha. oh wow. so i make a suggestion, something anyone can take or leave and is not any sort of demand or insistence, and i get sarcasm and scorn? and I'M part of the problem? how does that work?<div>
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no. you people are part of 'the problem' (whatever the fuck that means). wanna scare off new members? wanna see people drop from the ranks because of bullshit (pre-labeled, in this case) drama threads like this? you're doing a fine job getting there by attacking those just trying to help. </div>
<div><br></div><div>go back and read what i wrote. go on. Did you read it? Show me where i demanded that someone put covers on the couch. i never said YOU do it. i never said I'D do it. i just said it might be a possible alternative to throwing out the couches and why. that's it. if i wanted to do it i'd say so and if i thought i had the right to demand someone else do it for me i might have said that too but i wouldn't because i don't.</div>
<div><br></div><div>So much for noisebridge being a haven for ideas and creativity if you get yelled at every time you have an idea out loud that might improve something even if you don't have the time or capacity to do it yourself and you leave it in the open in case someone else thinks it's also a good idea and decides they might wanna work on it.</div>
<div><br></div><div>So next time someone makes a suggestion you should sincerely thank them for their contribution to the discussion and problem solving of the issue and then you either do what they suggest or don't. end of fucking discussion. What you absolutely should not do is write passive aggressive emails 'thanking' them for 'volunteering' to do it or yelling at them outright for daring to put forth any ideas whatsoever without spearheading it themselves.</div>
<div><br></div><div>but that's just my opinion. you can take it or leave it or go fuck yourself if you don't like it for whatever reason. in this case this IS something i'm willing to do and hey, guess what? i already do it. it's called being a decent person.</div>
<div><br><div><div class="im"><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Andy Isaacson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:adi@hexapodia.org" target="_blank">adi@hexapodia.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 03:15:42PM -0700, Ever Falling wrote:<br>
> "Noisebridge has always been short on project managers; it's good to<br>
> see someone stepping up to the role and helping organize things and<br>
> direct some of the aimless creative energy we have lying around. Let<br>
> us know when you can have the couch solution you proposed implemented,<br>
> it should be a huge improvement!"<br>
><br>
> it amazes me how much effort people will put into writing worthless<br>
> passive aggressive shit like this.<br>
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</div>It amazes me how much you don't get the point.<br>
<br>
We do not need people telling us what to do. (Many of us have day jobs<br>
for that.)<br>
<br>
If someone says "I am going to do X", a response of "No, you should do<br>
Y instead, but I can't be bothered to help" is going to get you mocked.<br>
<br>
The correct response is "I think Y would be better, and I am going to do<br>
it. Would you like to help?"<br>
<br>
If you can't honestly include the "I do", I hope you won't send your<br>
message to noisebridge-discuss. You're part of the problem. Become<br>
part of the solution instead.<br>
<br>
I'd rather have one person doing something -- even if poorly, and even<br>
if it's not the solution I would have chosen -- than a hundred people<br>
telling each other what to do.<br>
<br>
HTH, HAND.<br>
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-andy<br>
</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br></div><div class="im">-- <br>Trying to fix or change something, only guarantees and perpetuates its existence.<br>
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