Here's the thing.�<div><br></div><div>I agree with al. I feel jake's message, but Frans has had months and months to find a place.�</div><div>I was homeless for 9 months last year. In that time, I slept at noisebridge 3 times. The rest of the time I couchsurfed (not the website, just the verb). It was winter, and I never, _never_ wound up on the street.�</div>
<div>Frans obviously has lots of people who like him.�He's one of the most active people at NB, not just because he lives there.�If you're on this list, saying "NO NO NO we can't kick him on the street OMG!' -- then offer him your couch, or your floor or whatever. If you're saying noisebridge isn't being kind enough, then extend your kindness.�</div>
<div>Meredith</div><div><br></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 1:08 PM, girlgeek_wt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:girlgeek@wt.net">girlgeek@wt.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
If we decide to give Frantisek a 'night watchman' job, I recommend that<br>
it then becomes his responsibility to throw the SDL's out when it<br>
becomes clear that they are settling in for the night.<br>
<br>
I know, there is a LOT of room for misunderstandings in such an arrangement.<br>
<br>
-Claudia<br>
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On 11/16/2010 10:18 AM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote:<br>
> On 11/16/2010 11:35 AM, Albert Sweigart wrote:<br>
>> A bunch of stuff about someone specifically sleeping at Noisebridge<br>
>><br>
> I gotta say - what a bummer to name Frantisek specifically on an open,<br>
> public, archived mailing list.<br>
><br>
> I agree with some of the things you've stated - though I personally do<br>
> not care if Frantisek sleeps at Noisebridge irregularly. I guess he<br>
> doesn't sleep there every Monday or Tuesday, rather he sleeps there when<br>
> he doesn't have another option for whatever reason. I see this as a<br>
> pretty class heavy discussion and it's slanted against those without<br>
> options. If someone generally misses BART - it's acceptable because<br>
> they're "doing the right thing" most of the time. We tolerate that<br>
> behavior because we understand that specific problem - it's a (upper)<br>
> middle class issue and we're sensitive to it. We've all missed a BART<br>
> ride and it sucks to have no option for some hard ass reasons.<br>
><br>
> Personally, I think it's pretty fucked up that he doesn't have other<br>
> options; part of the general Noisebridge goal is to provide an<br>
> alternative to the rest of the world for people in our community.<br>
> Frantisek is part of our community and has been for quite a while. I<br>
> wonder what will happen? Will someone step up and help him as he has<br>
> helped the Noisebridge community? Will we change some things at<br>
> Noisebridge to deal with a specific issue in our community that people<br>
> care about? Or will we turn our backs and tell him to get fucked?<br>
><br>
> With that said, we have long since agreed not to live in the space but I<br>
> will personally not ask Frantisek, a member of our community, to sleep<br>
> on the streets.<br>
><br>
> I understand the principles at play and I can't fucking live with myself<br>
> if I'm pushing him into the winter rain. I really dislike your appeal to<br>
> economics as a reason for your lack of compassion. If you really care<br>
> about Noisebridge and money issues, why don't you kick in some more money?<br>
><br>
> I'd probably resign my fiscal sponsorship if anyone seriously made it<br>
> "their cause" at Noisebridge to toss out Frantisek - that is the death<br>
> of compassion; it demonstrates rigidness of mind and hardness of heart.<br>
><br>
> Early on at Noisebridge, we had a few people living in the space as<br>
> helpers. They were aware that they were guests and they did everything<br>
> in their power to not abuse this special unnamed place in our little<br>
> community. All of them have moved on and most of them are hard core<br>
> Noisebridge supporters now. Win-win in my opinion.<br>
><br>
> Once long ago, we discussed having an Uchi-deshi at the space or a<br>
> hacker in residence. I propose that we make Frantisek our first<br>
> Uchi-deshi. Generally, this is a rotating system in Aikido - I suppose<br>
> it should be up for consensus how it would work in Noisebridge.<br>
><br>
> In any case, when last I checked, Frantisek was planning to make a new<br>
> hacker space in Mexico - I guess that means his intentions are quite<br>
> clearly to spread Noisebridge south. So how much do we want to press<br>
> this issue? How important is it to you?<br>
><br>
> What kind of alternative are you helping to create or are you just<br>
> calling him out by name with no real solution to the problem at hand?<br>
><br>
> All the best,<br>
> Jake<br>
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