agreed, Fran, you are excellent.<div><br></div><div>However, one person living at noisebridge- in the literal sense- would make it seem OK for other, less awesome folks to do so. It's like the broken window theory. </div>
<div>new person:'oh! there is totally this guy that everyone seems to like, and he sleeps here ALL THE TIME. It must mean it's OK!'. </div><div><br></div><div>m</div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 3:02 PM, girlgeek_wt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:girlgeek@wt.net">girlgeek@wt.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Frantisek,<br>
I think that you misunderstand.<br>
1. I don't think that anyone objects to any of the things that you do<br>
while vertical. Many are a big benefit to Noisebridge.<br>
2. Things: Most of us have projects and things left. I don't think that<br>
there are any objections to your objects. Or if there are, they can be<br>
solved by some rearranging.<br>
3. Sleeping at NB: Frowned upon, especially between 12 Midnight & 6AM.<br>
There may be exceptions, but<br>
4. Hanging out and Hacking: Excellent. I think that this is what you<br>
call living at NB. No one else calls it that. To everyone else, that is<br>
what NB is for!<br>
5. Please realize that everyone seems to think highly of you.<br>
<br>
I hope that this clarifies some.<br>
-Claudia<br>
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On 11/16/2010 2:11 PM, Frantisek Apfelbeck wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hi to All! I'm glad that we will go through that as a group. I was expecting to<br>
> do so with a small group of members or on a member meeting first but let's take<br>
> this road. Sleeping and Noisebridge versus Living at Noisebridge I think<br>
> that here Al got a clear point I would add that I'm actually living at another<br>
> two or three places in the same time (Three Stone Hearth Kitchen for example).<br>
> I'm actually not really "sleeping at Noisebridge" even if I sometimes<br>
> physically do so (last week way to much believe me). Sleeping may come handy but<br>
> it's not really important to me, I can sort it out pretty easily most of the<br>
> time. Know please let me explain what does mean to me living at Noisebridge.<br>
> Living at Noisebridge means taking this place as part of you. Place which<br>
> changes because of you being present, radiating your energy, making your dreams<br>
> to come through or just hanging around having good time and bad time sometimes.<br>
> We do this together, that is the best par. All of that can happen at this place<br>
> because of there are so many of "you" who are however so similar and so<br>
> different. To be more concrete. I work on projects which I believe in. I invest<br>
> my energy, time and money to make them happen. Many people at Noisebridge think<br>
> they should happen and they are actually helping to realize them. I certainly<br>
> would like to make them happen in the way that I can live by/from doing them<br>
> and I'm nearly at that stage not being even 29. I'm doing what I believe I<br>
> should and I'm quite pretty close of doing it “my way”. It's hard bread<br>
> sometimes to live around the bay on less than $60 per week but I do it because<br>
> I believe in it. And it was Noisebridge who is allowing me to do that. However<br>
> please note that the sleeping at Noisebridge is not what I really need. Nope, I<br>
> can go for the shelter if I like, I've been there before and it's actually<br>
> quite cool unfortunately you need quite a bit of time to sign every day in and<br>
> you can not really work there. I go there when I need to relax but I do not<br>
> have time! The true reason why I'm living at Noisebridge is that I can work on<br>
> my projects learning such an incredible amount of things on all the different<br>
> levels that it just blasts me out! All the brains and cool people being there<br>
> for you if you ask for help or even offering a hand by themselfs, that is<br>
> amazing. But please note you have to be physically at Noisebridge to meet them<br>
> and to work with them - at least most of the time. So Noisebridge is a really<br>
> amazing “think and do tank” which I'm trying to support as much as I can. My<br>
> hungry hacker fee which I monthly pay is my major financial investment, no<br>
> question about that but it's also the most important one. What else I do? Well<br>
> anything what I like and I believe can contribute and several things which I do<br>
> not like but has to be done. My major aim is to make Noisebridge as homey as<br>
> possible for anyone who wants to be around and who is supportive of the place.<br>
> Cooking, brewing and cleaning are just examples. And again, I do not do these<br>
> activities to be "allowed" to stay at Noisebridge because it's against the<br>
> rules and anyway I do not function like that. I do it because it's me, it<br>
> happens to the places when I'm around. Yes I may sometimes be a "bitch" and<br>
> help to keep people overlooking some things because of my "positive" impact,<br>
> well sorry it's me too. So if we skip sleeping at Noisebridge to have it<br>
> simple, am I not suppose to live at Noisebridge? If so why? Now parts which<br>
> are really controversial. I need to have some of my things around because I<br>
> work with them or I need them to function around the bay. If need to be all my<br>
> "living" is one back pack. Am I not allowed to have it with me? If not that<br>
> would be a problem. Yes now I've more things but they still can fit a usual<br>
> member shelf absolutely without problem and they are clean and non toxic non<br>
> bad odor making etc. Second, I want to spend as much of my productive time<br>
> around Noisebridge as possible which means that I've to find a compromise with<br>
> the community. For majority of my stay, with exception of last week and one or<br>
> two weeks long in past my staying around was not an issue because it was not<br>
> very frequent (to majority of the members) irregular and quite. The problem<br>
> kind of aroused when I've started the brewing classes in particular because<br>
> I've finished the classes around 2 or 4 am in the morning and yes I really did<br>
> not felt like going for Golden Gate. Again please note that I actually really<br>
> like to sleep out side on the beach or in the park (or someone garden if they do<br>
> not mind) and I do it on regular bases because I do need that, every week and<br>
> not because of not having place were to stay, but because of need to be<br>
> outside. I need to be in the nature and if I stay too much around Noisebridge<br>
> day or night it doesn't do me well so I do not want to do it (as Miloh and many<br>
> other members now, I'm just a country boy after all - by the way Scott is<br>
> having a really good time in Alabama). However the strain of work which I had<br>
> lately to do was so big that I started to skip nights or getting just small<br>
> bits of it and I would work, work and work. That is how this "controversy"<br>
> really came up. I still do believe that you should be allowed to crash at the<br>
> place if you work hard and this is the place were you do it. Many members<br>
> believe that this is "unwritten rule" however some do not. Anyway I do<br>
> believe that Al wanted to say that: sleeping at Noisebridge is not OK however<br>
> working is fine you should not have your things all over the place making an<br>
> impression that you live there and somebody is just sitting in "you chair" or<br>
> "tea room" That are the major ones right? I do agree on that. What makes me<br>
> a bit of worried is the next three brewing classes (Wednesdays) which may take<br>
> until late, 5 min of fame late night cleaning and Thanksgiving party. For these<br>
> days I would really like to find some solution because I'll have to stay late<br>
> and to leave for outside late at night is not something very safe to do - if<br>
> you stay outside you should get to your spot before 10 pm or so, that is just<br>
> safety tip. One thing which I feel Al is wrong or I did not understood is that<br>
> my stay in particular is a problem from the financial point of view, probably<br>
> meaning that people are keeping out of Noisebridge. I'd like to have a serious<br>
> discussion about that for todays meeting because I do believe that it's the<br>
> other way around - me staying around and keeping Noisebridge at some certain<br>
> level of cleanliness (with other people like Al, Miloh, Mike etc) keeps some<br>
> other people out because they see from the first minute that there is actually<br>
> “order” in the place. However it's not any excuse for sleeping at the place and<br>
> it was never intended to be. Well I'll be looking forward for the meeting,<br>
> Isky is my host for tonight. By the way I've got until 9th of December to stay<br>
> in USA, I'll be leaving a bit before this date so I'll be calling for help on<br>
> my projects soon and keeping myself really busy. Sincerely, Frantisek<br>
> PS Concerning the help options towards me there are several. 1) support my<br>
> activities/projects at Noisebridge if you think they should happen in a way<br>
> which suites you, cash for the projects is always handy 2) if you have a couch<br>
> available once per two weeks or so I would be happy to pop in sometimes, cook a<br>
> meal, etc. 3) if you have a trouble with your back or other parts of body, I<br>
> can give you a decent massage and contribution towards my projects are welcomed<br>
> :-)) (or you can even stick it in to my pocket in case I've some of course).<br>
> 4) come up with some magical solution how to get Noisebridge above $15 000<br>
> because that is what I was working on for last many months and I'm not<br>
> succeeding as I'd like to and I'm really sorry for that. The Thanksgiving party<br>
> is a good oportunity to go wild!<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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> ----- Original Message ----<br>
> From: jim<<a href="mailto:jim@systemateka.com">jim@systemateka.com</a>><br>
> To: Frantisek Apfelbeck<<a href="mailto:algoldor@yahoo.com">algoldor@yahoo.com</a>><br>
> Sent: Tue, November 16, 2010 1:47:54 PM<br>
> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] So, how many people live at noisebridge now?<br>
><br>
><br>
> I plan to get to the space around 2:30 today.<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Tue, 2010-11-16 at 13:18 -0800, Frantisek Apfelbeck wrote:<br>
>> Hi Jim, I'm allowed to stay until 9th of December but I plan to leave a bit<br>
>> before. Talk to you soon,<br>
>> Frantisek<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ----- Original Message ----<br>
>> From: jim<<a href="mailto:jim@systemateka.com">jim@systemateka.com</a>><br>
>> To: Andy Isaacson<<a href="mailto:adi@hexapodia.org">adi@hexapodia.org</a>><br>
>> Cc: <a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a><br>
>> Sent: Tue, November 16, 2010 9:17:19 AM<br>
>> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] So, how many people live at noisebridge<br>
> now?<br>
>><br>
>> Treating each other excellently might mean not<br>
>> snoring loudly in a place where people are doing<br>
>> things. Maybe get-his-attention and say "shhhh!"<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Tue, 2010-11-16 at 08:22 -0800, Andy Isaacson wrote:<br>
>>> On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 02:32:22AM -0800, Ever Falling wrote:<br>
>>>> are we allowed to nap? are naps ok? i'm just curious.<br>
>>> Given that -- except for our one rule -- we don't have rules (in the<br>
>>> negative sense), we also don't have rules in the positive sense. So<br>
>>> nobody but yourself can tell you if a given activity is "allowed" at<br>
>>> Noisebridge.<br>
>>><br>
>>> There was some annoying dude snoring on the couches most of Sunday<br>
>>> afternoon, though.<br>
>>><br>
>>> -andy<br>
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