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</pre></span>--- On <b>Tue, 11/16/10, Frantisek Apfelbeck <i><algoldor@yahoo.com></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor@yahoo.com><br>Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] So, how many people live at noisebridge now?<br>To: "jim" <jim@systemateka.com>, "Noisebridge" <noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net><br>Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 10:11 PM<br><br><div class="plainMail"> <br>Hi to All! I'm glad that we will go through that as a group. I was expecting to <br>do so with a small group of members or on a member meeting first but let's take <br>this road. Sleeping and Noisebridge versus Living at Noisebridge I think <br>that here Al got a clear point I would add that I'm actually living at
another <br>two or three places in the same time (Three Stone Hearth Kitchen for example). <br>I'm actually not really "sleeping at Noisebridge" even if I sometimes <br>physically do so (last week way to much believe me). Sleeping may come handy but <br>it's not really important to me, I can sort it out pretty easily most of the <br>time. Know please let me explain what does mean to me living at Noisebridge. <br>Living at Noisebridge means taking this place as part of you. Place which <br>changes because of you being present, radiating your energy, making your dreams <br>to come through or just hanging around having good time and bad time sometimes. <br>We do this together, that is the best par. All of that can happen at this place <br>because of there are so many of "you" who are however so similar and so <br>different. To be more concrete. I work on projects which I believe in. I
invest <br>my energy, time and money to make them happen. Many people at Noisebridge think <br>they should happen and they are actually helping to realize them. I certainly <br>would like to make them happen in the way that I can live by/from doing them <br>and I'm nearly at that stage not being even 29. I'm doing what I believe I <br>should and I'm quite pretty close of doing it “my way”. It's hard bread <br>sometimes to live around the bay on less than $60 per week but I do it because <br>I believe in it. And it was Noisebridge who is allowing me to do that. However <br>please note that the sleeping at Noisebridge is not what I really need. Nope, I <br>can go for the shelter if I like, I've been there before and it's actually <br>quite cool unfortunately you need quite a bit of time to sign every day in and <br>you can not really work there. I go there when I need to relax but I do
not <br>have time! The true reason why I'm living at Noisebridge is that I can work on <br>my projects learning such an incredible amount of things on all the different <br>levels that it just blasts me out! All the brains and cool people being there <br>for you if you ask for help or even offering a hand by themselfs, that is <br>amazing. But please note you have to be physically at Noisebridge to meet them <br>and to work with them - at least most of the time. So Noisebridge is a really <br>amazing “think and do tank” which I'm trying to support as much as I can. My <br>hungry hacker fee which I monthly pay is my major financial investment, no <br>question about that but it's also the most important one. What else I do? Well <br>anything what I like and I believe can contribute and several things which I do <br>not like but has to be done. My major aim is to make Noisebridge as
homey as <br>possible for anyone who wants to be around and who is supportive of the place. <br>Cooking, brewing and cleaning are just examples. And again, I do not do these <br>activities to be "allowed" to stay at Noisebridge because it's against the <br>rules and anyway I do not function like that. I do it because it's me, it <br>happens to the places when I'm around. Yes I may sometimes be a "bitch" and <br>help to keep people overlooking some things because of my "positive" impact, <br>well sorry it's me too. So if we skip sleeping at Noisebridge to have it <br>simple, am I not suppose to live at Noisebridge? If so why? Now parts which <br>are really controversial. I need to have some of my things around because I <br>work with them or I need them to function around the bay. If need to be all my <br>"living" is one back pack. Am I not allowed to have it
with me? If not that <br>would be a problem. Yes now I've more things but they still can fit a usual <br>member shelf absolutely without problem and they are clean and non toxic non <br>bad odor making etc. Second, I want to spend as much of my productive time <br>around Noisebridge as possible which means that I've to find a compromise with <br>the community. For majority of my stay, with exception of last week and one or <br>two weeks long in past my staying around was not an issue because it was not <br>very frequent (to majority of the members) irregular and quite. The problem <br>kind of aroused when I've started the brewing classes in particular because <br>I've finished the classes around 2 or 4 am in the morning and yes I really did <br>not felt like going for Golden Gate. Again please note that I actually really <br>like to sleep out side on the beach or in the park (or someone garden
if they do <br>not mind) and I do it on regular bases because I do need that, every week and <br>not because of not having place were to stay, but because of need to be <br>outside. I need to be in the nature and if I stay too much around Noisebridge <br>day or night it doesn't do me well so I do not want to do it (as Miloh and many <br>other members now, I'm just a country boy after all - by the way Scott is <br>having a really good time in Alabama). However the strain of work which I had <br>lately to do was so big that I started to skip nights or getting just small <br>bits of it and I would work, work and work. That is how this "controversy" <br>really came up. I still do believe that you should be allowed to crash at the <br>place if you work hard and this is the place were you do it. Many members <br>believe that this is "unwritten rule" however some do not. Anyway
I do <br>believe that Al wanted to say that: sleeping at Noisebridge is not OK however <br>working is fine you should not have your things all over the place making an <br>impression that you live there and somebody is just sitting in "you chair" or <br>"tea room" That are the major ones right? I do agree on that. What makes me <br>a bit of worried is the next three brewing classes (Wednesdays) which may take <br>until late, 5 min of fame late night cleaning and Thanksgiving party. For these <br>days I would really like to find some solution because I'll have to stay late <br>and to leave for outside late at night is not something very safe to do - if <br>you stay outside you should get to your spot before 10 pm or so, that is just <br>safety tip. One thing which I feel Al is wrong or I did not understood is that <br>my stay in particular
is a problem from the financial point of view, probably <br>meaning that people are keeping out of Noisebridge. I'd like to have a serious <br>discussion about that for todays meeting because I do believe that it's the <br>other way around - me staying around and keeping Noisebridge at some certain <br>level of cleanliness (with other people like Al, Miloh, Mike etc) keeps some <br>other people out because they see from the first minute that there is actually <br>“order” in the place. However it's not any excuse for sleeping at the place and <br>it was never intended to be. Well I'll be looking forward for the meeting, <br>Isky is my host for tonight. By the way I've got until 9th of December to stay <br>in USA, I'll be leaving a bit before this date so I'll be calling for help on <br>my projects soon and keeping myself really busy. Sincerely,
Frantisek <br>PS Concerning the help options towards me there are several. 1) support my <br>activities/projects at Noisebridge if you think they should happen in a way <br>which suites you, cash for the projects is always handy 2) if you have a couch <br>available once per two weeks or so I would be happy to pop in sometimes, cook a <br>meal, etc. 3) if you have a trouble with your back or other parts of body, I <br>can give you a decent massage and contribution towards my projects are welcomed <br>:-)) (or you can even stick it in to my pocket in case I've some of course). <br>4) come up with some magical solution how to get Noisebridge above $15 000 <br>because that is what I was working on for last many months and I'm not <br>succeeding as I'd like to and I'm really sorry for that. The Thanksgiving party <br>is a good oportunity to go wild!
<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>----- Original Message ----<br>From: jim <<a ymailto="mailto:jim@systemateka.com" href="/mc/compose?to=jim@systemateka.com">jim@systemateka.com</a>><br>To: Frantisek Apfelbeck <<a ymailto="mailto:algoldor@yahoo.com" href="/mc/compose?to=algoldor@yahoo.com">algoldor@yahoo.com</a>><br>Sent: Tue, November 16, 2010 1:47:54 PM<br>Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] So, how many people live at noisebridge now?<br><br><br>I plan to get to the space around 2:30 today. <br><br><br>On Tue, 2010-11-16 at 13:18 -0800, Frantisek Apfelbeck wrote:<br>> Hi Jim, I'm allowed to stay until 9th of December but I plan to leave a bit <br>> before. Talk to you soon,<br>> Frantisek<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> ----- Original Message ----<br>> From: jim <<a ymailto="mailto:jim@systemateka.com" href="/mc/compose?to=jim@systemateka.com">jim@systemateka.com</a>><br>> To: Andy Isaacson <<a
ymailto="mailto:adi@hexapodia.org" href="/mc/compose?to=adi@hexapodia.org">adi@hexapodia.org</a>><br>> Cc: <a ymailto="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net" href="/mc/compose?to=noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a><br>> Sent: Tue, November 16, 2010 9:17:19 AM<br>> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] So, how many people live at noisebridge <br>now?<br>> <br>> <br>> Treating each other excellently might mean not <br>> snoring loudly in a place where people are doing <br>> things. Maybe get-his-attention and say "shhhh!"<br>> <br>> <br>> On Tue, 2010-11-16 at 08:22 -0800, Andy Isaacson wrote:<br>> > On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 02:32:22AM -0800, Ever Falling wrote:<br>> > > are we allowed to nap? are naps ok? i'm just curious.<br>> > <br>> > Given that -- except for our one rule -- we don't have rules (in the<br>> >
negative sense), we also don't have rules in the positive sense. So<br>> > nobody but yourself can tell you if a given activity is "allowed" at<br>> > Noisebridge.<br>> > <br>> > There was some annoying dude snoring on the couches most of Sunday<br>> > afternoon, though.<br>> > <br>> > -andy<br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > Noisebridge-discuss mailing list<br>> > <a ymailto="mailto:Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net" href="/mc/compose?to=Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a><br>> > <a href="https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss</a><br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Noisebridge-discuss mailing list<br>> <a
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