I think it's a good deal for the size, it's also probably much much larger than the current Noisebridge.<br><br>Also, I would want something at least ...uh ...... 6x more powerful! than an Arduino controlling my $2,000,000 floating steel hacker village.<br>
This is not a center for ants!<br><br>I imagine this thing would house a couple hundred people; the population density given the location of the ship would be probably be a bit unruly in terms of resources and comfort. Not to mention power use and waste management. In short, it's probably not built to be a hacker space. Warships are for war. It's an amazing idea though: a "floating" hacker city? I really love the idea of a housed hackercampus, especially if it's mobile.<br>
<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Sean Cusack <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sean.p.cusack@gmail.com" target="_blank">sean.p.cusack@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Naomi -<br><br>I was half thinking about not-ephermerisle with this. Instead of having a moving boat, just use aircraft carrier as a massive floating platform. It would take away a ton of the engineering hurdles required to make an oceanfaring vessel since this one was not only open ocean worthy, but could probably take some torpedos :).<br>
<br>Alas, the back of the envelope calculation looks bad. Assuming nothing else buy buying the ship (no engines, no towing, no docks), in other words, just raw steel. If we assume that we could pay the going wholesale rate for mild steel scrap at maybe $0.10/lb (given that I can pay about $0.50 - $0.80 a pound for it from a scrapyard). The total metal weight = 10000 tons from the website 10000*2000 = 20,000,000 lbs of steel * 0.10 = $2million :(. <br>
<br>So, I guess what I'm saying is that reasonable offers look like they'll probably be around that mark. I was willing to pony up a grand even!<br><br>Sean<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 8:46 PM, Naomi Most <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pnaomi@gmail.com" target="_blank">pnaomi@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">See also <a href="http://seasteading.org" target="_blank">seasteading.org</a> ... and if any of you are actually serious about this, I'll put you in touch with the founders.<div>
<br></div><div>--Naomi<br><div><div><div></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Joel Jaeggli <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:joelja@bogus.com" target="_blank">joelja@bogus.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div>On 12/2/10 6:29 PM, Gian Pablo Villamil wrote:<br>
> During Prohibition, casino + speakeasy ships would anchor offshore, just<br>
> inside international waters. Boats would take customers out. If I'm not<br>
> mistaken, one big pickup point was just below the Cliff House, and the<br>
> ships were anchored out past the Farallons.<br>
<br>
</div>This big thing about ships is the amount of capital it takes to keep<br>
something operating at scale... sucking down fuel at rate of a few<br>
pounds per second is fine with 3000 paying customers onboard or a lot of<br>
cargo, but no so awesome for the casual project.<br>
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> On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 5:59 PM, <<a href="mailto:travis%2Bml-noisebridge@subspacefield.org" target="_blank">travis+ml-noisebridge@subspacefield.org</a><br>
</div><div>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:travis%252Bml-noisebridge@subspacefield.org" target="_blank">travis%2Bml-noisebridge@subspacefield.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hmm, decommissioned aircraft carriers... suddenly I'm having<br>
> Cryptonomicon<br>
> flashbacks. Maybe you could tow it towed out to international<br>
> waters? ;-)<br>
<br>
</div>it was actually snow crash, and the point was you could leverage the<br>
North Pacific Subtropical Gyre to make a round trip as opposed to just<br>
ending up in some giant garbage patch in the mid-pacific.<br>
<br>
the operating costs for an aircraft carrier even if your rule out<br>
propulsion are fairly epic, like you could run a reasonable sized space<br>
program instead . the US has 6 carrier battle groups which is retarded<br>
expensive even on the scale of us military expenditures.<br>
<br>
ther are various tall ship sail training programs which probably hew a<br>
little closer to the nb aesthetic, but a sailing vessel is a hole in the<br>
water into which you pour money which is what keeps your's trully feet<br>
planted on dry land.<br>
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