1) We're not allowed on the roof. It's not stable enough to have people going up there to spin a composting bin.<br>2) Compost bins smell Fucking Horrible. Do you guys remember what the banana stairs smelled like? It'd be worse.<br>
3) Compost bins also attract rats. <br>4) I believe SF has a compost program in place. I'm betting we could call and get a can to throw stuff in.<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Patrick Keys <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:citizenkeys@gmail.com">citizenkeys@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Smaller is better for composting. Composting also needs some sort of<br>
lid, mainly for smell and sanitation reasons.<br>
<br>
I also had some sort of poorly thought-out idea that we'd keep the<br>
composting bin on the roof, also for sanitation reasons and to<br>
potentially use the sun to dry the stuff out.<br>
<br>
Maybe a small composting bin inside and a larger one on the roof. I<br>
honestly don't know how composting works except that somehow you dry the<br>
natural waste, beat on it, and somehow end up with nitrogen deposits.<br>
<br>
The regular trash can is a 32-gallon bin that I moved from the shop area<br>
to the kitchen. Any smaller size is just too small for the amount of<br>
trash that noisebridge generates on a daily basis.<br>
<br>
Your estimates about bin requirements all seem correct.<br>
<br>
I'm anxious to see us get a real recycling system in place!<br>
<br>
This is exciting!<br>
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On 12/16/2010 8:44 AM, jim wrote:<br>
><br>
> okay.<br>
> i don't think a 30 gallon container is right for<br>
> composting, seems smaller would be better, yes? no?<br>
> looks like<br>
> * 1 30 gallon container for aluminum cans<br>
> * 1 30 gallon container for paper<br>
> * 1 30 gallon container for glass bottles and only glass bottles<br>
> * some size container for composting<br>
> * other 30 gallon containers, maybe for other glass stuff,<br>
> ferrous metals...?<br>
><br>
> there's a "regular" trash can?<br>
><br>
> i'll try to check prices today.<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Thu, 2010-12-16 at 08:34 -0800, Patrick Keys wrote:<br>
>> I've already given it some thought:<br>
>> * Containers should be the big 30-gallon containers so we don't need to<br>
>> empty them very often. Like these:<br>
>> <a href="http://www.pricefalls.com/products/RUBBERMAID-32-GALLON-BLUE-BRUTE-%282632%29/id/12182889" target="_blank">http://www.pricefalls.com/products/RUBBERMAID-32-GALLON-BLUE-BRUTE-%282632%29/id/12182889</a><br>
>><br>
>> * Containers should be along the east wall by the bathrooms and adjacent<br>
>> to the kitchen, so they'll be near the regular trash can.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Patrick<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 12/16/2010 7:56 AM, jim wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> i'm willing to chip in for some dedicated<br>
>>> containers. let's do it: figure out where in<br>
>>> the space the containers sit then get<br>
>>> whatever containers are the right size.<br>
>>> how about redoing the space near the<br>
>>> elevator so it has room (and maybe some kind<br>
>>> of framing for upper-level storage)?<br>
>>> as to me, it's too much trouble to try to<br>
>>> get the little money for recycled stuff. i'm<br>
>>> okay with just getting rid of it responsibly.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Thu, 2010-12-16 at 00:22 -0800, Patrick Keys wrote:<br>
>>>> I agree the logistics of getting the cans there would be tricky.<br>
>>>> But we're just talking about the aluminum cans... if we can figure out<br>
>>>> *WHERE* and *WHEN* to take them, we might can get somebody to loan a<br>
>>>> truck one day every week or two.<br>
>>>> A few places will even pay cash upon pick-up.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Patrick<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On 12/16/2010 12:18 AM, Mark Ellis wrote:<br>
>>>>> I suggested this a while ago and unless you can figure something out it was found the logistics of getting the redeemable stuff to a center was more trouble than it was worth. Also there was some mention of some sorta Mexican recycling gang...<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> On Dec 16, 2010, at 12:10 AM, Patrick Keys<<a href="mailto:citizenkeys@gmail.com">citizenkeys@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Is there a reason noisebridge doesn't recycle other than not having<br>
>>>>>> containers to properly divide recyclables (aluminum cans,<br>
>>>>>> paper/cardboard, composting, etc.)?<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> If the only reason we're not recycling is the lack of containers, I will<br>
>>>>>> gladly pay for a few big 30-gallon trash bins so that people can throw<br>
>>>>>> away their recyclables in the proper container.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Glass bottles can (and are) re-used instead of thrown out.<br>
>>>>>> Paper/cardboard has no cash value (about one dollar per ton).<br>
>>>>>> Natural stuff can be turned into nitrogen-rich plant food with a little<br>
>>>>>> effort.<br>
>>>>>> Aluminum cans, however, could probably pay for at least part of our<br>
>>>>>> drinks if we recycled them. We just need to know when/where/how to trade<br>
>>>>>> cans for cash.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> If anybody knows when/where/how to trade our alumninum cans for cash,<br>
>>>>>> please say something.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Patrick<br>
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