San Francisco has a (free?) composting program that can take a wider variety of stuff than a backyard one could.�<div>I also do not want a composting bin in the space. There's no reason to, and plenty of reasons against.</div>
<div>M<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 3:22 PM, T <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:t@of.net">t@of.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div class="im">On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 09:58, Zedd Epstein <<a href="mailto:zedd.00@gmail.com">zedd.00@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> 1) We're not allowed on the roof. It's not stable enough to have people<br>
> going up there to spin a composting bin.<br>
> 2) Compost bins smell Fucking Horrible. Do you guys remember what the banana<br>
> stairs smelled like? It'd be worse.<br>
<br>
</div>Actually, if you do a worm farm, it hardly stinks at all. �A good one<br>
can be made with a few buckets.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> 3) Compost bins also attract rats.<br>
<br>
</div>Only if they can get to the stuff. �Put a lid on your compost bin. �It<br>
only has small holes. �Ants, though can be an issue. �Worm farm people<br>
recommend putting the worm farm on legs and the legs in containers<br>
containing water. �Ants won't cross that moat.<br>
<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
> 4) I believe SF has a compost program in place. I'm betting we could call<br>
> and get a can to throw stuff in.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Patrick Keys <<a href="mailto:citizenkeys@gmail.com">citizenkeys@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Smaller is better for composting. �Composting also needs some sort of<br>
>> lid, mainly for smell and sanitation reasons.<br>
>><br>
>> I also had some sort of poorly thought-out idea that we'd keep the<br>
>> composting bin on the roof, also for sanitation reasons and to<br>
>> potentially use the sun to dry the stuff out.<br>
>><br>
>> Maybe a small composting bin inside and a larger one on the roof. �I<br>
>> honestly don't know how composting works except that somehow you dry the<br>
>> natural waste, beat on it, and somehow end up with nitrogen deposits.<br>
>><br>
>> The regular trash can is a 32-gallon bin that I moved from the shop area<br>
>> to the kitchen. �Any smaller size is just too small for the amount of<br>
>> trash that noisebridge generates on a daily basis.<br>
>><br>
>> Your estimates about bin requirements all seem correct.<br>
>><br>
>> I'm anxious to see us get a real recycling system in place!<br>
>><br>
>> This is exciting!<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Patrick<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 12/16/2010 8:44 AM, jim wrote:<br>
>> ><br>
>> > � � okay.<br>
>> > � � i don't think a 30 gallon container is right for<br>
>> > composting, seems smaller would be better, yes? no?<br>
>> > � � looks like<br>
>> > * 1 30 gallon container for aluminum cans<br>
>> > * 1 30 gallon container for paper<br>
>> > * 1 30 gallon container for glass bottles and only glass bottles<br>
>> > * some size container for composting<br>
>> > * other 30 gallon containers, maybe for other glass stuff,<br>
>> > ferrous metals...?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > � � there's a "regular" trash can?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > � � i'll try to check prices today.<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > On Thu, 2010-12-16 at 08:34 -0800, Patrick Keys wrote:<br>
>> >> I've already given it some thought:<br>
>> >> * Containers should be the big 30-gallon containers so we don't need to<br>
>> >> empty them very often. �Like these:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> <a href="http://www.pricefalls.com/products/RUBBERMAID-32-GALLON-BLUE-BRUTE-%282632%29/id/12182889" target="_blank">http://www.pricefalls.com/products/RUBBERMAID-32-GALLON-BLUE-BRUTE-%282632%29/id/12182889</a><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> * Containers should be along the east wall by the bathrooms and<br>
>> >> adjacent<br>
>> >> to the kitchen, so they'll be near the regular trash can.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Patrick<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> On 12/16/2010 7:56 AM, jim wrote:<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> � � �i'm willing to chip in for some dedicated<br>
>> >>> containers. let's do it: figure out where in<br>
>> >>> the space the containers sit then get<br>
>> >>> whatever containers are the right size.<br>
>> >>> � � �how about redoing the space near the<br>
>> >>> elevator so it has room (and maybe some kind<br>
>> >>> of framing for upper-level storage)?<br>
>> >>> � � �as to me, it's too much trouble to try to<br>
>> >>> get the little money for recycled stuff. i'm<br>
>> >>> okay with just getting rid of it responsibly.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> On Thu, 2010-12-16 at 00:22 -0800, Patrick Keys wrote:<br>
>> >>>> I agree the logistics of getting the cans there would be tricky.<br>
>> >>>> But we're just talking about the aluminum cans... if we can figure<br>
>> >>>> out<br>
>> >>>> *WHERE* and *WHEN* to take them, we might can get somebody to loan a<br>
>> >>>> truck one day every week or two.<br>
>> >>>> A few places will even pay cash upon pick-up.<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> Patrick<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> On 12/16/2010 12:18 AM, Mark Ellis wrote:<br>
>> >>>>> I suggested this a while ago and unless you can figure something out<br>
>> >>>>> it was found the logistics of getting the redeemable stuff to a center was<br>
>> >>>>> more trouble than it was worth. Also there was some mention of some sorta<br>
>> >>>>> Mexican recycling gang...<br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone<br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>> On Dec 16, 2010, at 12:10 AM, Patrick Keys<<a href="mailto:citizenkeys@gmail.com">citizenkeys@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> >>>>> �wrote:<br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>>> Is there a reason noisebridge doesn't recycle other than not having<br>
>> >>>>>> containers to properly divide recyclables (aluminum cans,<br>
>> >>>>>> paper/cardboard, composting, etc.)?<br>
>> >>>>>><br>
>> >>>>>> If the only reason we're not recycling is the lack of containers, I<br>
>> >>>>>> will<br>
>> >>>>>> gladly pay for a few big 30-gallon trash bins so that people can<br>
>> >>>>>> throw<br>
>> >>>>>> away their recyclables in the proper container.<br>
>> >>>>>><br>
>> >>>>>> Glass bottles can (and are) re-used instead of thrown out.<br>
>> >>>>>> Paper/cardboard has no cash value (about one dollar per ton).<br>
>> >>>>>> Natural stuff can be turned into nitrogen-rich plant food with a<br>
>> >>>>>> little<br>
>> >>>>>> effort.<br>
>> >>>>>> Aluminum cans, however, could probably pay for at least part of our<br>
>> >>>>>> drinks if we recycled them. We just need to know when/where/how to<br>
>> >>>>>> trade<br>
>> >>>>>> cans for cash.<br>
>> >>>>>><br>
>> >>>>>> If anybody knows when/where/how to trade our alumninum cans for<br>
>> >>>>>> cash,<br>
>> >>>>>> please say something.<br>
>> >>>>>><br>
>> >>>>>><br>
>> >>>>>> Patrick<br>
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