<div>I'm curious who that is against restricting sleeping actually uses the space as a workshop to you know, make things. </div><div>I feel like I'm one of the few who do, after being there at least 2 or 3 days of the week, it's mostly occupied by people not doing anything other than playing video games and crashers. It's disheartening, and makes it a shitty place to work. </div>
<div>Why does this suck? Because I want a workshop. I'm willing to work and help keep up a workshop. A hackerspace. That's what I joined for. That's what we are. I am not willing to put an iota of energy into noisebridge being a place for people to crash. </div>
<div>Here's the clincher: <i>that doesn't make me a bad person. </i>I'm at noisebridge to make things. </div><div>M</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Danny O'Brien <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:danny@spesh.com">danny@spesh.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="im">On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 9:02 AM, Al Jigen Billings<br>
<<a href="mailto:albill@openbuddha.com">albill@openbuddha.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> You know, the 25+ message thread of BS in the last 12 hours or so, once AGAIN, about people sleeping in the space may actually have something to do with the Death and Taxes thread and why NB cannot seem to get people to reliably give money to the space. Why give money to an organization that, even when it consenses on how it wants to be, where people will simply, in the name of anarchist principles, do whatever the hell they want to do in spite of consensus?<br>
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> Jake, some people don't want to talk to every person sleeping in order to find out *why* they are doing so. They simply want them not to do it, class distinctions or not. I find it amazingly stupid that y'all spent a month of arguing at great length about this recently and yet here it is again. Is it a hackerspace or a hippie crashpad, people?<br>
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</div>I am very interested in whether this is true or not. It's<br>
understandable to assume that this particular [drama] (or [drama] in<br>
general) and the [no money] are causally connected, because they<br>
happened simultaneously. I sort of assumed this myself (but was also<br>
sceptical, because Noisebridge The Place does not equal NB-discuss,<br>
NB-IRC or any other self-selecting subset of users. To test the<br>
hypothesis is partly what the poll is about (though right now I am<br>
just testing to see whether it is even true of NB-discuss).<br>
<br>
<a href="http://j.mp/noisepoll" target="_blank">http://j.mp/noisepoll</a> <-- click on the poll! DOOOO ITTTTT<br>
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I can't speak to the poll results yet, but a casual look at the<br>
membership stats would indicate that the theory is more tentative than<br>
you'd think: as I said, the churn rate for members abdicating their<br>
membership is <5% p.a. over the three year life of NB, and that's<br>
really not that bad. This may go up as we track down more people who<br>
we have no records for payment, but right now the dominate<br>
explanations for non-payment are not "It's too full of people sleeping<br>
on sofas" and far more "I'm sorry, times are hard, can I go on<br>
hiatus?" and "What? I thought I *was* paying you guys! WTF?".<br>
<br>
Of course, people may also be being polite, or be slowly devaluing NB<br>
*because* they don't go there so often because of the atmospherics,<br>
which is indeed part of the reason why I started the poll, to see if I<br>
could tease out any subtler problems (and opportunities).<br>
<br>
We're all outliers to an extent, which is I think a feature of NB's<br>
desire for diversity and openness (and one of the reasons why, as<br>
Moxie says, it feels less like a community<br>
and more like a public resource used by a bunch of communities). I<br>
think there's definitely a community of people who are worried about<br>
the knock-on effect of sleepers and the whole hippy crashpad thing.<br>
There's also a community of people who feel that the anarchic stance<br>
of NB makes up for these free-riding problems, and there's definitely<br>
a community of people who think that the anarchic principles can be<br>
applied to solving whatever the "sleeping people" problem is. Many of<br>
us are in one of these groups, but that doesn't spell out what the<br>
wider proportions are.<br>
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