Don't we have an intern now? I don't remember his name so I will call him Intern. Can we make Intern wash dishes?<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Frantisek Apfelbeck <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:algoldor@yahoo.com">algoldor@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 10:14:09 -0800<br>
From: Albert Sweigart <<a href="mailto:asweigart@gmail.com">asweigart@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Stacks of dirty dishes<br>
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I'm not sure I've seen the sinks not filled with dirty dishes more<br>
times than I can count on one hand in the last several months. This is<br>
kind of a tricky problem to solve, and I thought once the dishwasher<br>
got set up it would abate a little, but it hasn't. It's a standard<br>
"tragedy of the commons" problem: everyone has incentive to use the<br>
dishes but nobody has as much incentive to keep them clean.<br>
<br>
I've given it some thought, and I think the only long-term solution is<br>
to move the dirty dishes from the sink to the dishwasher, wash them,<br>
then put them in a box and drop them off at Thrift Town (about a block<br>
from Noisebridge). We can then switch to disposable plateware if we<br>
run out of dishes (which are a lot easier to clean up).<br>
<br>
I'll volunteer to do this.<br>
<br>
</div>>>> Please do not, read below <<<<<br>
<div class="im"><br>
Chore wheels and constant reminders won't work in the long-term or for<br>
our particular space (there's too many people.) Elaborate technical<br>
fixes that we can invent aren't practical. Appointing or even hiring<br>
someone(s) to keep the sink cleared isn't something anyone wants to<br>
sign up for or we can really afford over the long-term.<br>
<br>
And the Thrift Town solution regulates itself nicely; if people care<br>
enough about having dishes over paper plates they'll stick around, if<br>
not, we'll have fewer dishes that need to be taken care of and it<br>
becomes easier to keep them clean.<br>
<br>
I've thought it through, but if anyone has solutions that are<br>
long-term, practical, and cost-effective then email this thread. I'll<br>
post a sign about this policy in the kitchen for people who aren't on<br>
the mailing list.<br>
<br>
-Al<br>
<br>
</div>Hi to All!<br>
I appreciate that this was brought up to discussion but I strongly disagree with<br>
the solution and I've<br>
not seen this post on Tastebridge discussion list were it certainly belongs -<br>
the are not culprits but<br>
stewards of the place. Dishes has to be cleaned on regular basis, it was managed<br>
before it can be<br>
<br>
managed again. It is not easy but possible and also necessary.<br>
<br>
Getting rid of the dishes will cause sever problems to the Tastebridge which is<br>
currently<br>
<br>
one of the most active groups in the space and one of the few which is promoting<br>
Noisebridge<br>
"out there" on regular bases. Switching for disposable dishes is not ecological<br>
and it will just not do.<br>
Kitchen without dishes is basically not a kitchen. Do not forget that to buy<br>
knew ones, which would<br>
happen sooner than later you spend a lots of money. It's like suggesting getting<br>
rid of soldering irons<br>
<br>
in an electronic lab which is certainly sometimes dirty and it is not after the<br>
Monday classes, quite the<br>
contrary, it's quite shining and the same applies most of the time when the<br>
kitchen is used for<br>
<br>
cooking and brewing classes.<br>
<br>
I will post on the Tastebridge mailing list this email knowing however that it's<br>
the Tastebridge people<br>
who in a long term keep the kitchen in a working order. However I'm sure that<br>
they will try to find the<br>
solution even if it takes some time. It may be, that we have accumulated too<br>
many dishes but it is people<br>
<br>
who use the kitchen on regular bases and have a proper manners to decide what is<br>
worthy and what is<br>
<br>
not because they have quite good idea. People who do not use the kitchen and do<br>
not know what is<br>
<br>
important for the classes, five minutes of fame dinners, underground markets<br>
etc. should step back and<br>
<br>
leave it on the ones who are involved in activities above to work on it.<br>
<br>
I hope that this situation will be sort out, so please try to come up with<br>
reasonably working solutions<br>
because as a chef and brewer you have to have proper dishes in the kitchen, it<br>
is as it is.<br>
<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
Frantisek<br>
</font><br>
PS Based on the logic above we should close both bathrooms because they are also<br>
quite dirty<br>
quite often.<br>
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<br>
<br>
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