I agree with Jim, this isn't about whether Isky is a valued member of the community or not, or whether he should be drawn and quartered or whatever. Nobody is threatening to Ostracize Isky, or Shun him, or to enact any other form of archaic Amish community retribution. Some of us have expressed a grievance about a specific set of behaviors, and this is the grievance process that Noisebridge has: either talk it to death, or take direct action.<div>
<br></div><div>This is a straight up commons problem. Noisebridge is, when it comes down to it, a set of shared resources, which the community has come together to make available for everyone. When someone is using more than their fair share of a resource, it seems to me like a legitimate grievance.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The classrooms are for people to hold meetings, classes, etc in, which, for whatever reason, are better suited to a private room than to the central space. They are shared, in the sense that many groups use them, but the whole point is that one group uses them at a time, and if a group is using them, a different group can't use them.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I don't think it's reasonable to expect that some group should be required to use this resource around someone, or that they should have to expect to either include that person in their activity or to eject them in order to get use of the room. A great huge chunk of the space is set aside for literally this purpose -- working at a table among others working at a table. The classrooms are for a different use case: group projects (meetings, classes, etc) of limited duration, which benefit from having a door.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I also don't think it's reasonable that you have to expect to ask someone else to leave in order to use what should be a shared resource. People who do not have a working relationship with Isky consider it rude (after all, he was there first), and will wait, or end up meeting in a cafe, or the center tables (I have seen this happen lots: a group having a meeting at the central tables, while Isky, alone, headphones on, occupies Turing). A shared resource (time in a meeting room) isn't shared if someone is using all of it, and it isn't available if you have to take it from someone else, however polite they are about it.</div>
<div><br></div><div>If this were a different resource -- if he were, for example, drinking all the soda and not paying for it, or using all the dark room chemicals, or what have you -- this would be a straightforward issue: he'd be asked to kick in his fair share for the resource he was using. We only have two classrooms, though, and even if we blocked off more common space for classrooms, there would be a finite number of them, and we'd all have to be polite and not use more than our fair share.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I would like Isky to remove his desktop from the space. There's really no place for it. Barring that, I'd at least like it removed from Turing, so that Turing can be used for what it's meant to be used for. I'd like him not to occupy Turing all the time.</div>
<div><br></div><div>This is my grievance; and yes, I have personally not been able to use Turing because others in my group didn't think it was polite to ask Isky to get out, and I have personally come into conflict with people having meetings in the central space because Isky was camping in Turing.</div>
<div><br></div><div>--S</div><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 5:11 PM, jim <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jim@well.com">jim@well.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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-1<br>
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Jason is speaking for himself, only, I'm guessing,<br>
and Meredith agrees with him, as do some others.<br>
I and some other others, on the other hand, have<br>
other ideas such as I like Isky, am grateful that he's<br>
provided the use of his computer to others, and am<br>
asking that he please leave the computer in the turing<br>
classroom so life can return to its formerly happy<br>
state.<br>
Isky's use of the space is his own business, it<br>
seems to me.<br>
<br>
It also seems to me kind of poisonous to have the<br>
nerve to try to force someone to do what you (plural)<br>
want them to do. For Shame! Really! And Jason, you too<br>
have had to put up with disparagement, unfairly in my<br>
view. Have a heart! Take it easy!<br>
<br>
Isky can do whatever the fuck he wants, and so<br>
can you, and you, and you..., and me. So drop this<br>
mom-and-dadness, please.<br>
Either that or explain how it is that Isky is<br>
preventing you from doing your thing. And show that<br>
he's hurt you more than he's helped some of us.<br>
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On Fri, 2011-02-04 at 16:28 -0800, meredith scheff wrote:<br>
> +1<br>
><br>
> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Jason Dusek <<a href="mailto:jason.dusek@gmail.com">jason.dusek@gmail.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
> Isky is harmless but his use of the space is annoying.<br>
><br>
> If we do nothing, we allow this bad example to<br>
> persist; but it's not clear there is anything morally<br>
> acceptable that we can do with the computer -- to<br>
> turn it in to a robot, to discard it or to hide are<br>
> all remedies worse than what they cure. Vigilantism<br>
> and the threat thereof is beneath our dignity.<br>
><br>
> The best outcome, the one that will leave everyone at<br>
> ease, is for Isky to remove the computer.<br>
><br>
> Isky, I beseech you, remove this computer. Take it<br>
> back to your house.<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Jason Dusek<br>
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