<div>In the months that I've been coming to Noisebridge, I've seen Isky:</div><div><br></div><div>Work with others on their projects, bring food and drink to share, wash dishes, sweep the floors, do Tastebridge things, bring others to the space for the first time and make sure they enjoyed themselves, greet everyone walking through the door, give tours to people who hadn't been to Noisebridge before, work on homework, share whatever book he was reading, have exciting creative conversations with people, take care of people, and share any resource he had at his disposal.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I've also seen him play video games or log into Facebook, just like I've seen pretty much everyone with a computer at Noisebridge do these things occasionally.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm honestly uncomfortable with the equation of "is visibly doing very obviously Hacking Related Projects = is welcome in the space," because of the obvious corrolary that if you aren't visibly, obviously doing those things, you aren't welcome. Is cooking visibly project-related? Is homework? Origami? </div>
<div><br></div><div>Isky was one of the first people I met when Veronica brought me to the space, and one of the reasons I kept returning to Noisebridge and have since brought other friends back to the space with me. I have never seen Isky be anything but welcoming and generous, and I think that he peforms a vital service for many of us Noisebridge introverts: making introductions, facilitating social interaction, and stepping in to provide a dozen other white-hat social hacking tweaks to make sure that those of us who thrive and get inspiration from other creative, geeky people actually get introduced and talk to each other.</div>
<div><br></div><div>My experience of Isky in the space will obviously not be anyone else's, in the same way that any one particular person's experience of me in the space will not be anyone else's. When behavior doesn't fall under Shit Everyone Universally Agrees is Objectionable (which is slim and muddied list at best), interpretations start getting increasingly subjective, in this case and any other.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Let's try to remember that we're all sentient, generally rational creatures, and that barring evidence to the contrary few of us are actually out to harm anyone else. Discussions like this can be helpful in sketching out agreements on social norms, but I think sometimes they end up becoming personally hurtful without any real productive agreement coming out of it. (Aside from the fact that we all seem to agree that hiding things under piles of fabric is uncool.)</div>
<div><br></div><div>I like Liz's idea about a class for testing out in-person ways to assertively and politely ask others in the space for help/to clear space/etc, and would happy to throw in my hand to help teach or role-play out scenarios. (Good strategy: Asking! Bad strategy: Setting the other person on fire.)</div>
<div><br></div><div>-Alison</div><div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Albert Sweigart <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:asweigart@gmail.com">asweigart@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><p>That was also back when Isky was only playing video games on it, which is also a source of social friction at Noisebridge.</p>
<p>-Al</p><div><div></div><div class="h5">
<div class="gmail_quote">On Feb 3, 2011 11:29 PM, "lilia" <<a href="mailto:liliakai@gmail.com" target="_blank">liliakai@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution">> FWIW, Isky's machine used to be located at the reverse engineering<br>
> bar, where it eventually became the source of social friction similar<br>> to that which we are seeing now, and which may have contributed to its<br>> relocation to the classroom in the first place.<br>> <br>
> <br>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 11:13 PM, Danny O'Brien <<a href="mailto:danny@spesh.com" target="_blank">danny@spesh.com</a>> wrote:<br>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 9:33 PM, Albert Sweigart <<a href="mailto:asweigart@gmail.com" target="_blank">asweigart@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>>>> Rather than try to change everyone else, it would be easier if Isky<br>>>> moved his computer out of the classroom, or just moved it home instead<br>>>> of using Noisebridge as his personal long-term storage for his<br>
>>> larger-than-a-member-shelf things.<br>>>><br>>>> Isky was asked by multiple people to move his computer somewhere else,<br>>>> and he just blows them off. Isky gets asked by multiple people to<br>
>>> actually work on projects instead of just using the space as his<br>>>> living room, and he just blows them off. I don't think the problem is<br>>>> people not being assertive enough with him.<br>
>>><br>>><br>>> I imagine Isky is getting heavily conflicting suggestions from all of<br>>> Noisebridge on this. Some people seem to assertively want him to move the<br>>> desktop or take it home, others probably tell him it's nice to have the<br>
>> desktop there, and that he's not in the way, and it's great that it's<br>>> available for use. I don't think it's unusual in that situation to prefer<br>>> the advice of the people who you already agree with.<br>
>><br>>>> Isky is going to continue to do whatever he wants. Sometimes that fits<br>>>> well with others, sometimes it doesn't. But that doesn't influence<br>>>> Isky's behavior.<br>
>><br>>><br>>>><br>>>> -Al<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Liz Henry <<a href="mailto:liz@bookmaniac.org" target="_blank">liz@bookmaniac.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> > On 2/3/11 5:44 PM, Shannon Lee wrote:<br>>>> ><br>>>> >>> The trouble is, Turing is currently<br>>>> >>> *always* in use, because someone's always camped on that PC."<br>
>>> ><br>>>> > I don't think that's a trouble! It means the room is in use and<br>>>> > someone's around keeping an eye on things. That's good! I like the<br>>>> > people camped on desktops in various rooms. I like it that there are<br>
>>> > people who spend all day at Noisebridge. They end up being awesome<br>>>> > custodians of the space and should get respect for that.<br>>>> ><br>>>> > People who have trouble asking other people to move out of the room<br>
>>> > because a group wants to use it for a class, could ask other<br>>>> > Noisebridgers to give them an extra class for role-playing out assertive<br>>>> > and polite ways to ask, as practice.<br>
>>> ><br>>>> > I'd happily teach that class (once I am over this month-long bronchitis)<br>>>> ><br>>>> ><br>>>> ><br>>>> ><br>>>> > - Liz<br>
>>> ><br>>>> ><br>>>> ><br>>>> > --<br>>>> > Liz Henry<br>>>> > <a href="mailto:lizhenry@gmail.com" target="_blank">lizhenry@gmail.com</a><br>>>> > <a href="http://bookmaniac.org" target="_blank">http://bookmaniac.org</a><br>
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<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div style="text-align: center;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: 800; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="1">-</font></span></div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="1"><b>Alison B. </b><i>(May Subd Geog)</i></font><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;">
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<div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="1">RT Social Hackers</font></div></blockquote><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="1"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="1"><i></i>-- properfalse</font></div>
<blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="1">USE Alison B.</font></div></blockquote></div><br>