<div dir="ltr">oh my god Noisebridge, I love you, I'm in tears I've been laughing so hard, <div>as is almost always the case, this is going much better than I expected,</div><div><br></div><div>naysayers: you think EYE AM unproductive? Do i spend hours every day shit talking people on the internet? No, i walk around my world, including noisebridge, making people feel better about their day and showing them where to find the things they need cause you're all sitting here foaming at the mouth getting your keyboards all soggy, when have I EVER been in your way? <b>shut up and hack</b>.</div>
<div><br></div><div>not to mention to the people always trying to push everyone around (i admit some need to be pushed a little, though I'm trying to convince you I'm not the sort), do you have any idea how many people have cried on my shoulders in YOUR hackerspace? do you know how nice it feels to be there as a completely positive supportive emotional resource for another hacker? or are ya too busy trying to make them cry in the first place?</div>
<div><br></div><div>yaysayers: PLEASE! feel free to leave me more kind words, you guys have had me giggling and feeling nice all evening,</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>@Patrick... wHat?!?! are you Completely sightless? almost everything you perceive is completely inverted and confounding, are you getting your information out of a random sentence generator? Me Antisocial? and What's all this about permission? What am i running a kindergarten in Turing? quit coming over to me to tell me five times that you're older than me and that you're afraid to talk to my friends because "it's inappropriate for a male of my age to talk to a female of that age", where are you getting this stuff?</div>
<div><br></div><div>@Andy</div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div>"<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; ">I have tried to talk to Isky about this issue. He's been unwilling to<br>
communicate about it." </span></div></blockquote><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br>
</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;">Andy, we have exchanged maybe thirty sentences ever, in like two conversations, initiated by me (in which you've been incredibly helpful, thank you!). Otherwise, we seem to have mutally avoided interaction more thoroughly than i thought possible. What are you talking about?When did you ever ask me about the computer? It's perfectly possible that i forgot. in that case I'm sorry for seeming to have avoided the subject, its not something I wanted to upset anyone over.</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br></span></font></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;">
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: arial; "><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; ">" I have heard from at least two other community</span></div>
</span></span></font></div></blockquote><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><div style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: arial; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; ">members who've also tried to discuss it with him and gotten blown off."</span></div>
<div style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: arial; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; "><br></span></div></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;">Shannon and another have both advised me to "move it", i engaged them both in a logistical conversation of where and for what purpose and neither could come up with enough to want to continue the conversation with me, which i was not done talking about, effectively, in fact blowing ME off! To be frank! I am sick of you people blowing me off all the time! Find someone else next time you're in the mood. Worrying about when you'll get to blow me off again <br>
</span></font>all the time must be exhausting and there MUST be SOMETHING else you enjoy doing...?</div><div><br></div><div>AND YOU TWO, please don't confuse a SUGGESTION with a REQUEST, I have never been asked to move my computer. It's a total of 4 people it bothers, and those 4 people are rarely in the space! Yet when they finally come around they spend their time having a tantrum about me off completely out of the way of anything they could be doing?</div>
<div><br></div><div>@Al </div><div>man, why do i never get to hear any of this out of mouth? i always got to read your frustration second hand, </div><div><br></div><div> how are organizing/cleaning the kitchen, cooking with/for people, making tea for everyone, repairing shirts, jackets, headphones, &laptops, spreading the word of hackerspaces, running the lockpicking class three weeks in a row, making sure as many people as i can affect (who havent already decided im their mortal enemy) are smiling/laughing, teaching people how to solder/use the sewing machine/repair their stuff/speak spanish/make a decent bowl of labne etc not legitimate projects? what the fuck is a fucking project?? Albert have you have got that word tattooed to your eyelids? has it completely lost its meaning? i dont understand what parameters it defines, do i need to build a 1:1 Hanging Gardens of Babylon out of macaroni sculpture to impress you? if not so extreme, why draw a line at all? </div>
<div><br></div><div>I'd like to have my word taken when I say that I ALWAYS ask if I can get out of the way of anyone whom i look like i even might be in the way of. Not ot mention CONSTANTLY asking people what i can help them with around the space. I am a very thoughtful, purposefully conscientious and attemptedly empathetic participant of the space. Because of my extraversion disease, I can't not engage lost looking people and I'm a big reason people ever find the classrooms in the first place! I've given more tours, found more needed/lost tools, washed more dishes, and swept more floors at noisebridge than anyone in the last few months ('cept Al). You haters come in once every two weeks and see me looking out the window for a minute, you make a mental note of it, convince yourself that i haven't done an ounce of helping anybody ever over and over until you can't remember what it was that you were actually mad about and then blog about it? Sounds super productive!</div>
<div><br></div><div>Who exactly avoids turing because I'm in there? All the people who've come to it looking like they wanted to stay for more than a minute did, and all who didn't didn't, can we stop speculating? seriously point them out, have them ask me to stop being so scary/smelly/vicious/satanically unpleasant to be around while I'm doing my french homework/ or playing trackmania so AntaGoNizIngly. Do you have any idea how many people were thankful there was a computer sitting there for them to be able to participate in the class with (the 88% of the time the computer is freely available as first come first serve)? </div>
<div><br></div><div>ah fuck, look what you made me do, wall of text when i could be sleeping, whoops </div><div><br></div><div>Isky <3's you noisebridge. Sorry for partying. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>
<div>save the disc list for interesting, new, at least slightly informative topics</div><div>instead of smearing (my) name/s around in a circle all day every day XD </div></div><div><br></div><div>oh and Liz I'd love to help teach that class,</div>
<div> </div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 1:41 AM, aestetix aestetix <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:aestetix@gmail.com">aestetix@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
The fundamental fallacy with declaring excellence is that, because everyone has a different view, any action has both excellence and un-excellent qualities to it. I feel one of the points of us using this as our one "rule" is to help remind people that in knee-deep drama, there always *is* a positive way to look at things.<div>
<br></div><div>This also means that, even if we got the entire membership to agree on something, or even communicate with each other at all, it would be forced and trite at best. Further, some people would feel pressured to "agree" by others, and rather than voicing their actual opinion they'd go along with the crowd to avoid conflict. </div>
<div><br></div><div>In any case, what I feel is most excellent right now is finishing my ice-cream while listening to Mozart and watching porn, and enjoying majestic mental images.</div><div><div></div><div class="h5"><div>
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On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 1:25 AM, Albert Sweigart <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:asweigart@gmail.com" target="_blank">asweigart@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
* Isky isn't on trial. Some people have a problem with his behavior<br>
and are discussing it on the email list. That's all.<br>
<br>
* This is specifically about Isky, and specifically about him keeping<br>
his desktop in the Turing classroom on a long term basis.<br>
<br>
* Personally, I think if the membership came together, decided if<br>
keeping personal desktops in the classrooms was excellent behavior or<br>
not with everyone having an equal say, and then wrote this decision<br>
down, we could avoid a lot of drama. Otherwise this email thread will<br>
continue until everyone is emotionally drained, nothing will be<br>
resolved, and this or a problem like it will flare up again in a few<br>
months.<br>
<br>
-Al<br>
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On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 12:43 AM, Praveen Sinha <<a href="mailto:dmhomee@gmail.com" target="_blank">dmhomee@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Urgh... I can't beleive I'm getting sucked in to drama, but...<br>
><br>
> Seriously is Isky on trial or something? Is he Mubarak? If we are talking<br>
> about Isky in a huge email drama thread, then who else are we going to talk<br>
> about next??? Noisebridge is and should be an open space for people to<br>
> interact in their own ways. I realize that people are coming forward to<br>
> defend him, but he shouldn't /have/ to be defended.<br>
><br>
> Shunning people from noisebridge because the don't fit a social mold will<br>
> only ensure the alienation of the best and brightest.<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Josh Myer <<a href="mailto:josh@joshisanerd.com" target="_blank">josh@joshisanerd.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 6:47 PM, jim <<a href="mailto:jim@well.com" target="_blank">jim@well.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> isky shares his computer with others, and seems to<br>
>>> me pretty freely.<br>
>>><br>
>><br>
>> We don't have rules, but it seems like the general pattern in the past has<br>
>> been "Keep your stuff on your shelf, or, if it doesn't fit on your shelf,<br>
>> label it." A shuttle PC will fit on a shelf, easily.<br>
>> It seems like there's another underlying issue people are skirting around,<br>
>> which is that Isky is constantly at the space, and rarely seems to be doing<br>
>> anything beyond hanging out.<br>
>> --<br>
>> Josh Myer <a href="tel:+14152309791" target="_blank">415.230.9791</a> <-- NOTE: New number!<br>
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