I agree with Rachel that havnig a couple of people give five-minute talks interspersed with our discussion seems good, but maybe that's a future thing...?<div><br></div><div>--S<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 1:25 AM, Rachel McConnell <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rachel@xtreme.com">rachel@xtreme.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">I would like to hear about the experiences of those who have<br>
participated in functional consensus processes. I'd like to ask<br>
questions, I'm sure. I think lightning-talk style would work for this,<br>
but so would other formats.<br>
<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
Jared Dunne wrote:<br>
> Great it sounds like we have enough to make it happen for Friday at 6<br>
> (sharpish). I'll send out a reminder/announcement to discuss later<br>
> this week and announce it at the Tuesday meeting tomorrow.<br>
><br>
> As to Shannon's question on format.... What do you all think?<br>
><br>
>> Do we just want to have a round-table discussion, or do we want to have some sort of structure?<br>
><br>
> I'm inclined to leave it open and let the meeting organically take<br>
> whatever direction we decide on then. I'd be happy to facilitate the<br>
> meeting using consensus to guide us. For example, I'd propose that we<br>
> devote some time to discussing and consensing on what people would<br>
> like to see come out of our meetup, if we want it to be reoccurring,<br>
> etc. I'd like to share my past consensus experiences but that can be<br>
> done in either lightning-talk or round table format. Do others have<br>
> consensus rants or raves that they'd like to share for kicking us off<br>
> on Friday?<br>
><br>
> Jared-<br>
><br>
> On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Rachel McConnell <<a href="mailto:rachel@xtreme.com">rachel@xtreme.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> I'll be there at 6.<br>
>><br>
>> Rachel<br>
>><br>
>> jim wrote:<br>
>>> okay. i'm hoping we can start right at 6 PM<br>
>>> (and summarize maybe every thirty minutes for<br>
>>> those who arrive late as well as those who miss<br>
>>> the points of what's said).<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Sun, 2011-02-06 at 20:45 -0800, Jared Dunne wrote:<br>
>>>> Hi All-<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> So shall we aim to have the Consensus Hacking meetup on this Friday at<br>
>>>> 6pm until 7:30?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I'd like to set a date/time before Tuesday so it can be announced at<br>
>>>> the Tuesday Weekly Meeting and such...<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Jared-<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:28 PM, jim <<a href="mailto:jim@systemateka.com">jim@systemateka.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>> i've got a thing at noisebridge fridays from<br>
>>>>> 12:30 to 6 PM. i can probably take time away from<br>
>>>>> it. immediately after 6 also could work okay for<br>
>>>>> me, usually.<br>
>>>>> jim<br>
>>>>> 415 823 4590 my cellphone, call anytime<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> On Wed, 2011-02-02 at 13:33 -0800, Jared Dunne wrote:<br>
>>>>>> I can do a Friday evening, earlier the better IMHO. Weekends are<br>
>>>>>> normally very socially busy but I can make time if that's the only<br>
>>>>>> time that we can all meet, if so afternoons would be best.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> jared-<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Rachel McConnell <<a href="mailto:rachel@xtreme.com">rachel@xtreme.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>>> What would people think of a Friday evening instead? I try to go to Ace<br>
>>>>>>> Monster Toys' meeting on Thursdays (in the East Bay). I could also make<br>
>>>>>>> a weekend time, except Sunday evening.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Rachel<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Jared Dunne wrote:<br>
>>>>>>>> I think there is sufficient interest in organizing a Consensus<br>
>>>>>>>> discussion. Let's proceed.<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> When would be good to hold it? Would next Thursday evening sometime<br>
>>>>>>>> work? My thinking being: Mon-Wed evenings are so busy at NB. If we<br>
>>>>>>>> hold it next week, we can announce it at the general meeting to get<br>
>>>>>>>> more people into the discussion.<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> Let me know when would be ideal for you...<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> Jared-<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Rachel McConnell <<a href="mailto:rachel@xtreme.com">rachel@xtreme.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>>>>> I'd love to come to a discussion group on the consensus process. Please<br>
>>>>>>>>> facilitate this.<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Rachel<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Jared Dunne wrote:<br>
>>>>>>>>>> Is anyone else interested in something like what Shannon proposed?<br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd still like to do a seminar-style class-thing on Consensus process; I'm<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>> imagining it as a set of lightning talks interspersed with Q&A and<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Discussion periods. Anybody have experience with consensus process outside<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>> of Noisebridge who is willing to give a five-minute "how we did it at X"<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>> talk? Anybody want to try giving the five-minute "how Noisebridge works"<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>> talk? (I think we should have at least three of the "How Noisebridge Works"<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>> talks from three people with different perspectives...)<br>
>>>>>>>>>> I'd really like to see something happen even if its simply an informal<br>
>>>>>>>>>> discussion about Consensus at Noisebridge past, present, future. It<br>
>>>>>>>>>> would be nice to get together everyone who wants to do some Consensus<br>
>>>>>>>>>> Hacking to chat it out in more depth.<br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> I'd be happy to organize or facilitate something if there is<br>
>>>>>>>>>> sufficient interest.<br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> j-<br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Jared Dunne <<a href="mailto:jareddunne@gmail.com">jareddunne@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>>>>>>> Shannon-<br>
>>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>>> I like this idea. I've used Consensus before in some anti-war groups.<br>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'd be happy to talk briefly about that experience.<br>
>>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm all for Autonomous action (do-acracy as NB calls it), but when<br>
>>>>>>>>>>> using consensus to work together we can do more than we can acting<br>
>>>>>>>>>>> autonomously as individuals. It's strange that consensus seems to be<br>
>>>>>>>>>>> feared and avoided at NB. I'm newish here so hearing someone give a<br>
>>>>>>>>>>> talk on NB's experience with Consensus would be great to understand<br>
>>>>>>>>>>> more about why that's the case.<br>
>>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>>> Depending on when you schedule this... and if I can get a chance to<br>
>>>>>>>>>>> re-read that handbook I donated... I could give an overview of some<br>
>>>>>>>>>>> of the key insights it adds to the discussion.<br>
>>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jared-<br>
>>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Shannon Lee <<a href="mailto:shannon@scatter.com">shannon@scatter.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To resurrect an old thread with new information, Jared bought us a copy of<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Consensus: A New Handbook for Grassroots Social, Political, and<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Environmental Groups" by Peter Gelderloos<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <a href="https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2011-January/020237.html" target="_blank">https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2011-January/020237.html</a><br>
>>>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd still like to do a seminar-style class-thing on Consensus process; I'm<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>> imagining it as a set of lightning talks interspersed with Q&A and<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Discussion periods. Anybody have experience with consensus process outside<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>> of Noisebridge who is willing to give a five-minute "how we did it at X"<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>> talk? Anybody want to try giving the five-minute "how Noisebridge works"<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>> talk? (I think we should have at least three of the "How Noisebridge Works"<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>> talks from three people with different perspectives...)<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --S<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Shannon Lee <<a href="mailto:shannon@scatter.com">shannon@scatter.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I realized in watching the last couple of threads that there are people<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> here who know a *lot* about running anarchist and consensus organizations.<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would any of you be willing to put together a reading list, or possibly<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hold a symposium of some sort, on how this stuff works, and how it's<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> supposed to work?<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --S<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shannon Lee<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (503) 539-3700<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from science."<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Shannon Lee<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>> (503) 539-3700<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from science."<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>><br>
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