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On 2/13/2011 9:43 AM, jim wrote:
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I hadn't heard from anyone that consensus is broken
until the friday evening meeting.
A question: what's the number of people who have
this opinion?
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<font color="#000066"><font face="Comic Sans MS"><i>Consensus at
Noisebridge seems fine to me. <br>
-Claudia <br>
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<pre wrap=""> Seems to me that in the meeting no one made the
case that consensus is broken, rather the discussion
pretty much defined what consensus means and the
examples seemed to confirm that consensus is not
broken at noisebridge. We use consensus to accept new
members on a regular basis and have used the consensus
process for other things lately.,
Note: that there are discussions and disagreements
does not mean that consensus is broken. and if someone
blocks agreement, that demonstrates that consensus is
working. It may be that some people don't like to put
up with discussion or that they don't like not getting
what they want, but that's different from consensus
being broken.
On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 23:17 -0800, Rachel McConnell wrote:
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<pre wrap="">We had a very interesting discussion with a lot of good thoughts brought
up and I hope to do another. Jared thanks so much for setting it up!
I have heard from many people that "consensus is broken" at Noisebridge.
I'd like to encourage people with this view to come to the next meetup
and share why they think this, as I have not got a good understanding
yet of why this feeling is out there, and I'd really like to.
Rachel
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<pre wrap="">Thanks to everyone that came to the meeting tonight. We had some good
discussions. I was able to gain a lot more perspective on the history
of the consensus process at Noisebridge. I also feel like I have a
better understanding of why Do-acracy is so prolific at NB. I still
feel like the consensus process is underused, but perhaps feel like
that's not terrible thing.
I didn't facilitate the meeting as actively as I had originally
planned. It seemed better to let the discussion unfold organically
rather than be to formal, but then we ran out of time. However, in
hindsight I wish I had jumped in to make sure we did two things. First,
to consense on plans for any future meetups in this vein. Secondly, to
determine the goals or "points of unity" for future meetups.
The informal consensus at the meeting's end seemed to be that people
were interested in having future meetups, but we didn't discuss things
like frequency or better days/times.
I've started non-hierarchical groups before and normally my first point
of business is defining "points of unity". Informally I advertised this
meetup as being about encouraging education, discussion, and improvement
of the consensus process at Noisebridge. Should we meet up again, I
would like to see us formally adopt some points of unity so that the
group has a clear direction on what we are trying to accomplish when we
meet up.
I have sent a request to <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:rack@lists.noisebridge.net">rack@lists.noisebridge.net</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rack@lists.noisebridge.net"><mailto:rack@lists.noisebridge.net></a> to create a "Consensus" mailing
list. Once that is created, I encourage everyone who came tonight (or
wished they could've made it) to join the list so we can have more in
depth discussions which spamming the general disc list.
Jared-
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 5:21 PM, Jared Dunne <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jareddunne@gmail.com">jareddunne@gmail.com</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jareddunne@gmail.com"><mailto:jareddunne@gmail.com></a>> wrote:
Just a reminder that this starts tonight at 6pm in the back
classroom (Church).
On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 11:49 AM, Jared Dunne <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jareddunne@gmail.com">jareddunne@gmail.com</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jareddunne@gmail.com"><mailto:jareddunne@gmail.com></a>> wrote:
On this Friday at 6pm until 7:30pm in the Church Classroom, we
will be
having a meeting to discuss consensus.
You should come if you are interested in learning more about
consensus, in hearing tips for being a better participant in
consensus, or in improving the use of consensus at Noisebridge.
I will facilitate the meeting using consensus, and Al will take
notes.
The tentative agenda is to start with quick (2-3 min) talks on our
past experiences using consensus by those who volunteer at beginning
of the meeting. We'll then move into a free form round table
discussion on consensus in general and as it applies to Noisebridge.
Finally, before we leave we should consense on if we would like to
meet again and when.
Jared-
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