<DIV style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif; font-size:10pt;">Money is finite. Money that people have available to donate is finite. If Patrick wants to be paid back for the lockers then that is money that will not be going into other Noisebridge uses. Is the consensus that lockers are a high enough priority that we want money to be funneled towards them? That is an item for a consensus discussion.<BR>-Claudia<BR><BR><BR>--- sean.p.cusack@gmail.com wrote:<BR><BR>From: Sean Cusack <sean.p.cusack@gmail.com><BR>To: Snail <snailtsunami@gmail.com><BR>Cc: noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net<BR>Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] lockers for noisebridge - big enough? funding?<BR>Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 01:00:23 -0800<BR><BR>I dunno - I kinda think storage in general is a good thing, no? Some of the proposed scenarios for how the locker system could theoretically be abused sound a little FUD-dy and probably kind of unrealistic. Not saying it can't or it won't happen, but its super unlikely IMO.<BR>
<BR>Also, if you really don't like what someone has in their locker, or could have in their locker, or what someone has forgotten to take out of their locker, we've got a dremel in the space with some cutting wheels (as well as a lock picking meetup) - so have at it! If peeps don't like the outside of the lockers being opaque, why not just "hack" the fronts of them with acrylic panels? If people don't like locks, how about plugging the lock hole with something? I'm sure the lockers would eventually get hacked in a way that would make everyone in the space like using them (you know...kind of like everything else we have).<BR>
<BR>I think lockers are probably a good idea, especially since it sounds like Patrick is nice enough to front the coinage. No cost to NB, no cost to members, potential benefit for all. *thumbs up*.<BR><BR>Sean<BR><BR><DIV>
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 12:10 AM, Snail <SPAN dir="ltr"><<A href="mailto:snailtsunami@gmail.com">snailtsunami@gmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<DIV><DIV>On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 11:15 PM, Patrick Keys <SPAN dir="ltr"><<A href="mailto:citizenkeys@gmail.com">citizenkeys@gmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
The lockers would be opaque. I think everybody at Noisebridge values<BR>
their right of anonymity. Not worrying about other people seeing what's<BR>
on your personal shelf or messing with it seems like a benefit.<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV>What do people want to store at noisebridge that they really need to keep hidden, which can't be stored on a harddrive? That's kind of worrisome.<BR>
<BR>Maybe an open, public space is not the best place to keep private, personal possessions. -- People need to keep their tools and whatknot for hacking in the space, but need they be SECRET? If you're going to use it in the space, where it will be seen by everyone, why does it have to be STORED in secrecy? -- And if it's not going to be used in the space, why is it there, taking up space in a locker?<BR>
<BR>Plus, this is about right to privacy, not anonymity -- a shelf is anonymous but not private, unless you put your name on your belongings (or someone dusts for fingerprints and has a copy of yours to match; DNA TESTS!!). If you don't believe me, just look at the fact that there are constantly tons of possessions swirling around the space whose owners are unknown, sometimes resulting to e-mails asking who has borrowed their stuff, even though everything is in plain view. This is very much not about valuing peoples anonymity and more about concern that people are doing secret things in an open space. You won't necessarily reveal someone's secret identity by stealing their wire cutters or PS2.<BR>
<BR>I don't think anyone has a guarantee of privacy at noisebridge -- if you are there, someone will drop by and look over your shoulder and ask what's going on, because that's why you are there (to have people talk to you and get an excuse to talk about your project). Lockers wouldn't really guarantee privacy unless everyone TRUSTED the person using the locker. We only have what privacy we do when people are considerate AND trust we are not doing something unsavory; but if people were concerned someone was storing something unsavory in a locker, it wouldn't be long before someone picked the lock or forced it open just to be safe.<BR>
<BR>Most importantly, to me, locked lockers would make me feel less safe because suddenly part of the open space is not open. I feel safe at noisebridge because EVERYTHING is open (save the bathrooms, for ~15 minutes at a time), and anything bad that could happen to someone or anything unsafe which would be stored could be found by the community, as people eventually wade through the piles and piles of junk.<BR>
<BR>(To be honest, you're probably guaranteed a good amount of privacy if you leave something under a pile of junk and people are too APATHETIC to check -- but it still gives people the option of securing their own surroundings and safety.)<BR>
<BR><BR>Plus, people tend to leave a lot of crap at the space and never throw it out, so periodically the locks would just have to be broken so the contents could be tossed as the lockers just give people a chance to exercise even more of their packrat tendencies.<BR>
<BR><BR>You know, if anything, I would describe noisebridge as a hole for packrats >_> maybe giving people the chance to store even MORE things at the space is the opposite of what the community needs. I feel like half of the space is already consumed by objects: the members' shelves area, the area behind those shelves (is that more members' shelves?), the entire wall with the windows facing Mission St., the full wall of bikes, the construction things in the kitchen, more shelves in the not-Turing classroom, stuff by the tea room storing things for the kitchen (because right beside the kitchen is storing construction things).... Now that I think about it, where the hell are these lockers going to stand among all this other stuff?<BR>
<BR><BR>Of course, it's been a month or so since I've been in the space, so maybe some of this is cleared up or organized by now (hahaha yeah right, I will buy everyone BEER* if you can make me eat those words).<BR>
<BR>*Not guaranteed to be expensive or good-tasting beer. I'm on a budget.<BR><FONT color="#888888"><BR>-- <BR>-Snailssnailssnailssnailssnailssnailssnails<BR>
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