...yes, there is nothing keeping people from meetings...where normally a lot of smaller details are discussed. Generally, when there is a bigger 'detail', people write the list before they bring it up. This in fact happened in this instance! (p.s. - thanks for the refresher summary Christina!):<br>
<br><a href="https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2011-February/021398.html">https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2011-February/021398.html</a><br><br>...where as we can see, banning Patrick was up for consensus next week...i.e. 6 days from now. I was planning to go...next week. If I would have known yesterday afternoon that something like banning would be discussed at the meeting, I would have shown up. But you know...this e-mail was sent @ midnight after the meeting, and I still haven't built my TARDIS yet (workin' on it).<br>
<br>For the love of christ, people need to start realizing that I'm not talking about this specific instance - separate yourselves from the Patrick for a second, and all the emotion that is tied up with it.<br><br>I'm saying there are a lot of us that weren't even told that this whole thing was going down. It would be like me blowing a hole in the Noisebridge ceiling tonite, and then saying I'll bring it up for consensus next week. Why in the world would I have thought we were going to be
discussing kicking people out at the meeting?<br><br>All I'm saying is that there is usually a way to solve any problem that balances the concerns of the many (in this case: safety of the space), with the fairness to everyone (in this case: informing anyone interested about what is about to happen). It wasn't done in this instance, and in the future, we should strive to be better about it.<br>
<br>Sean<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Shannon Lee <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:shannon@scatter.com">shannon@scatter.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
We have a consensus process that doesn't act without having brought it up at two successive meetings precisely so that if you don't make a meeting you're not just faced with this kind of "oh, well, you weren't there..."<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div class="h5">On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Miah Johnson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:miah@chia-pet.org" target="_blank">miah@chia-pet.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Jim, and everybody else who wasn't at the meeting.<div><br></div><div>If you have a problem with how things happen at the meeting, you should make more of an effort to attend them. Noisebridge is not the irc channel, or the mailing list. Meetings are on Tuesday night, somewhere around 7 or 8pm. If you're a member, show up and provide feedback otherwise you have to trust in your fellow noisebridge members to make the right decisions for you.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I don't seem to remember anybody defending "a vigilante decision" that was made over a year ago, without consensus about people smoking certain things around noisebridge. Though it should be noted that somebodies personal safety was in question here too as a allergy was present. Of course, people still bring their dogs to the space, and I seem to remember this thread earning me a entry on the drama page.</div>
<div><br></div><div>In this case, peoples personal safety was in question, a faster than usual response was the correct measure to prevent further issues.</div><div><br></div><div>I hate posting to this list, it is a cesspool.</div>
<div><br><div>Thanks<br>-Miah<br>
<div><br></div><div>jim said some bullshit like:</div><div><div><span style="font-family: Inconsolata; font-size: medium;"><pre>you didn't follow the normal procedures; you took action
extraordinarily. by definition that's in the neighborhood
of vigilante action. note that so is putting out a fire. </pre></span></div></div></div></div>
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