<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 11:05 PM, John Magolske <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:listmail@b79.net">listmail@b79.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
* aestetix aestetix <<a href="mailto:aestetix@gmail.com">aestetix@gmail.com</a>> [110506 21:23]:<br>
<div class="im">> After talking with a few people, I am positive that bedbugs are at<br>
> Noisebridge. I'm happy to give examples of instances privately, but<br>
> for now, I feel it is very important that we address this issue<br>
> asap, lest a new breed of them hatch and cause problems.<br>
<br>
</div>What evidence have you seen? Live bugs? Dead bugs? Moltings?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Addressed offlist.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div class="im"><br>
> A number of people have expressed doubt over whether the fogbombs<br>
> work, but I feel it does not hurt to try<br>
<br>
</div>It's possible these could hurt people with chemical sensitivities.<br>
Also, one critique of the DIY fogger method is that it tends to<br>
scatter the bugs & drive them into different locations where they<br>
can regroup. Our space is large and porous enough to provide endless<br>
different locations for the bugs to shift to. And if they happen to<br>
be hanging out, say, inside a couch, the "fog" will likely not reach<br>
them. The fogger method might work in a smaller room. But in an<br>
apartment building for example, this could end up driving bb's into<br>
neighboring apartments.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This is very valid. However, a possible solution is to either spray the floorboards along the wall with anti-bb spray, or to spread diatomaceous earth around where they might run off to. That way if you set off a bomb and they freak out and run away, they will run into the traps.</div>
<div><br></div><div>As far as a couch goes, we can spray down each couch, and then put a note on the couch saying what time it was sprayed and how long people should wait before sitting on it again.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div class="im"><br>
> If you are interested in helping me somehow, or have suggestions on<br>
> how to make people both aware of what we're doing, as well as ways<br>
> to prevent infections in the future, please don't be shy!<br>
<br>
</div>My suggestions would be:<br>
<br>
1. set traps<br>
2. remove their food source (sleeping humans)<br>
<br>
If we really think bb's are at Noisebridge, we should set up some<br>
traps to confirm this, get a sense of where they might be, and monitor<br>
the situation over time.<br>
<br>
Bedbugs are drawn to CO2 (and heat too, but CO2 mostly I think). Set<br>
up a CO2 source on a table/stand with Vaseline-coated legs sitting<br>
in cups with fiber tape on the outside & slick talc-dusted plastic<br>
walls on the inside so's the critters climb up & in, but can't get<br>
out. This is excellent as the bb's are taken out of circulation AND<br>
you get positive confirmation of their existence.<br>
<br>
Or you can get these: <a href="http://www.insect-interceptor.com/" target="_blank">http://www.insect-interceptor.com/</a><br>
<br>
I have a spare set of four that I could bring in for use in setting up<br>
some traps. If we could find a way to set a decent CO2 source in the<br>
center well of these, then we could possibly set up four traps. Any<br>
ideas for good CO2 generators? Biological-reactions? I've used dry ice<br>
(with success), but it's a hassle to keep running off to buy more.<br>
<br>
Regarding removing their food source, I'll repeat what I stated in an<br>
earlier post to this list back in October. And mind you, I am in no<br>
way anti-nap -- I'm a big fan of taking naps myself. I'm just trying<br>
to point out some biological realities we really shouldn't ignore:<br>
<br>
"...the main reason I bring this up is to draw attention to the<br>
vulnerable situation we're in with respect to people sleeping on<br>
couches at Nb. If one of our couches gets infested, it would be<br>
non-trivial to un-infest it. Steaming the crevices could be somewhat<br>
effective (and I certainly don't want to discourage steam-cleaning),<br>
but if any bugs happen to crawl up inside a couch and make a home<br>
in its frame, it would be really difficult to get rid of them.<br>
Placing the couch in an oven and heating it to 120°F for a 4-5<br>
hours or in a freezer down to at least 32°F for a couple days would<br>
probably do the trick. Most likely, an infested couch would just<br>
have to be shrink-wrapped and hauled off to the dump. By far, the<br>
most effective and least troublesome solution would be to prevent an<br>
infestation from getting established in the first place."<br>
[...]<br>
If it does end up being necessary to sleep overnight, IMO the best<br>
approach would be to pack (& take with you) your own sleeping bag,<br>
and sleep on a folding metal cot with double-sided tape (carpet tape<br>
is good) wrapped around or Vaseline smeared on the legs of the cot's<br>
frame. Or place its feet in cups of oil or Tupperware tubs dusted with<br>
talcum powder. And don't let any bedding touch the floor. Do some<br>
research. Please be considerate to others who use the space.<br>
<a href="https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2010-October/017529.html" target="_blank">https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2010-October/017529.html</a><br>
^<br>
(in retrospect, not entirely sure about the efficacy of double-sided<br>
tape...Vaseline & talcum powder are quite effective though.)<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Setting traps is a great idea. On the anti-nap, ehhh.... I think the problem is less people napping, and more the lack of cleanliness. I wonder if we have the funds at Noisebridge to pay for someone to come clean certain areas once a month? I recall we were going to postpone discussion of this until the buildout was finished, and over a year has passed; bringing up that discussion again is probably a good idea.</div>
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<br>
John<br>
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